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After a referendum to exit the EU we should have exited with no deal and negotiated from outside the EU. Trying to negotiate while half in and half out just keeps an open wound bleeding and causes trouble between Brexiters and Remainers.
No such thing would have happened if we had left immediately, but fact is, our government will not see us leave so are trying everything in their power to appease the people.
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Originally Posted by OldGreyFox ->
After a referendum to exit the EU we should have exited with no deal and negotiated from outside the EU. Trying to negotiate while half in and half out just keeps an open wound bleeding and causes trouble between Brexiters and Remainers.
No such thing would have happened if we had left immediately, but fact is, our government will not see us leave so are trying everything in their power to appease the people.
Well, they certainly won't appease me, and I'm quite sure I'm not alone.
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No Deal most likely outcome now... unless
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Brexit will NEVER ever happen , at best it will be watered down as too in reality we are out but still in ... at worst it will be cancelled , whichever happens ....THATS WHEN THE FUN STARTS !

As a UKIP type party will rise again and become such a pain in the arse they will wish they had done as they promised the electorate they would do


Lets just see what ‘they’ said


https://youtu.be/JRowLjb0x48
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Predicting the outcome accurately is impossible.
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13-02-2019, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by marmaduke ->
Brexit will NEVER ever happen , at best it will be watered down as too in reality we are out but still in ... at worst it will be cancelled , whichever happens ....THATS WHEN THE FUN STARTS !

As a UKIP type party will rise again and become such a pain in the arse they will wish they had done as they promised the electorate they would do


Lets just see what ‘they’ said


https://youtu.be/JRowLjb0x48
That youtube clip should be shown on all television channels at peak time every night until we are finally out of the EU once and for all....His statements should be upheld in a court of law!...Now that's democracy.
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Both the government and indeed the EU said exactly the same promises to us BEFORE THE VOTE
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Obvious now why David Cameron resigned.
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13-02-2019, 07:20 PM
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Re: Special place in hell' for those who promoted Brexit without a plan says Tusk

Originally Posted by OldGreyFox ->
That youtube clip should be shown on all television channels at peak time every night until we are finally out of the EU once and for all....His statements should be upheld in a court of law!...Now that's democracy.
Well it certainly won't be shown on the BBC and I doubt on any other channel for that matter.

However, they can't censor it on the internet or on YouTube.
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Annie I would totally agree with your first sentence but can not in all sincerity agree with the overall post.

The EU are a rule based organization and have already spent over 2 years negotiating a withdrawal agreement that all have agreed to.
And then parliament have rejected it and we have gone back, like Oliver Twist saying 'please can we have more'. We don't even know what we want changing other than the 'backstop' but suggesting no alternative.

Is it any wonder why the EU 27 are so flabbergasted with the UK's stance and are not prepared to reopen a treaty that has already been agreed to.

The no deal possibility is not a UK/EU bargaining chip, it is a TM/Parliament blackmail chip.
Rules are rules itsme but a negotiation means there is room for stretching boundaries, otherwise what is the point in talking for two years? If you sit down to a negotiation then there should be give on both sides.

While the principles of the EU are honourable I do feel that those leading the organisation in the recent past do not have it or its members' best interests at heart. That is not a sustainable position for such an organisation to be in.
 
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