27-08-2019, 05:48 AM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Simple answer - take away the Free Travel Area between Southern Ireland and the UK. (I would be quite happy to treat them as the EU and show my passport when visiting Southern Ireland. Why should either still be entitled to it any more? They may well be our neighbours but that's it, we owe them no favours. They belong with the EU now.Furthermore, The UK and NI have categorically stated they would never put up a hard border between the two, so as it is only the EU using it as an excuse for negotiations, let they be the ones to erect a border and be responsible for it if the single market status is so important to them.
Time to put up or shut up.
First you advocate ending the FTA and showing passports which would require border customs i.e. a hard border then you say that the UK and NI will never erect a hard border.
With no hard border people from any EU country can enter NI without showing a passport or undertaking any customs checks and could travel to mainland UK with little in the way of checks unless there are going to be passport checks between between NI and the UK which may be a good thing as it would upset Arlene Foster
27-08-2019, 08:38 AM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?
Originally Posted by Banchory
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There seems to be a dichotomy in your argument First you advocate ending the FTA and showing passports which would require border customs i.e. a hard border then you say that the UK and NI will never erect a hard border.
With no hard border people from any EU country can enter NI without showing a passport or undertaking any customs checks and could travel to mainland UK with little in the way of checks unless there are going to be passport checks between between NI and the UK which may be a good thing as it would upset Arlene Foster
You seem to be a huge fan of terrorism. I'm not surprised
27-08-2019, 11:48 AM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?
Originally Posted by Banchory
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There seems to be a dichotomy in your argument First you advocate ending the FTA and showing passports which would require border customs i.e. a hard border then you say that the UK and NI will never erect a hard border.
With no hard border people from any EU country can enter NI without showing a passport or undertaking any customs checks and could travel to mainland UK with little in the way of checks unless there are going to be passport checks between between NI and the UK which may be a good thing as it would upset Arlene Foster
if travelling from Southern Ireland via Northern Ireland to the UK, checks could be made away from the so called border area between the two, as they are attempting to do at the moment re the backstop problem.
It surely shouldn't be impossible to instigate.
I'm certainly no longer agreeable to Southern Ireland being given any favours when it comes to travel between themselves and us.
They made their bed, let them lie on it. Why should they be given any advantages at all.
27-08-2019, 12:02 PM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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They made their bed, let them lie on it. Why should they be given any advantages at all.
https://thedefensepost.com/2019/08/1...rmangh-border/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ck-lured-hoax/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...al-brexit-bomb
27-08-2019, 12:19 PM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Because of such news heads in the papershttps://thedefensepost.com/2019/08/1...rmangh-border/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ck-lured-hoax/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...al-brexit-bomb
27-08-2019, 12:55 PM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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All caused by one reason - The EU deliberately using the border as a ruse to keep us tied in. Your beloved EU doesn't give a fig about the GFA, except to use it as a sop for themselves in their negotiations. They are beneath contempt.
27-08-2019, 01:17 PM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiTheory and practice.
Passports are not checked for EU Citizens at UK Ports and Airports, all they need is an ID, very different to a passport.
Resources are so short that are certain times the Border Force have admitted that they just wave people through.
We do not check passports or ID in the common travel area.
You can just drive from the ROI to NI and vice versa.
You need ID to board a flight to Scotland, you do not need it to drive or travel by coach or rail.
I fished the competitions in Ireland before I became ill, no routine checks toing and froing.
As for entry checks to the UK, they are a joke.
One of the masterminds of the Paris Bombings came and went in the weeks before, never stopped, even though he was on the list.
Lucas and Bogdan come once a month, stay for 8 or 9 days, then back to Poland.
They buy airbags and sensors from scrap cars here, export them to Poland and sell them.
They have been stopped once in 4 years on the way in, and once on the way out.
The only interest shown was in how much vodka they bring in.
We are Polish, we drink a lot, waved through.
Priti Patel will soon be changing all that from Nov 1st.
27-08-2019, 01:25 PM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Well, then you know it was theresa may who brought it up as one of her red lines. The EU offered a border in the irish sea. They were turned down.
Thank goodness that woman has been put out to pasture and Parliament threw it out, three times! Forget about that earlier supposed scalp you thought you had. It's a dead duck. You can but only dream of a border in the Irish sea now. Just a dream you once had.
27-08-2019, 03:09 PM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Don't make me laugh! Theresa May turned out to be the enemy within. No country in the world would ever have been mad enough to agree to give away a slice of their country, as you hoped to do with NI.Thank goodness that woman has been put out to pasture and Parliament threw it out, three times! Forget about that earlier supposed scalp you thought you had. It's a dead duck. You can but only dream of a border in the Irish sea now. Just a dream you once had.
27-08-2019, 03:11 PM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Hope you have enjoyed your freedom to travel.Priti Patel will soon be changing all that from Nov 1st.
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