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I also stumbled on this whilst looking for Measles info.

http://cognitivetruths.com/perfectly...overing-it-up/

“Perfectly Healthy” Man Dies After Flu Shot, Doctors Admit To Covering It Up


“He was perfectly fit and healthy, not a thing wrong with him,” she said.

“The bottom line is if he hadn’t gotten the vaccine he would still be here,” she said.

“Some doctors have pulled us aside and said, ‘Listen off the record, it’s very clear what has happened but you are never going to get anyone to admit it‘.

“And then there are other doctors that are like, ‘No it’s definitely not, there is no way it could have been the flu shot’.

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Some more worrying information on vaccines

From NaturalNews.com

MMR measles vaccine clinical trial results FAKED by Big Pharma - shocking U.S. court documents reveal all

https://www.naturalnews.com/048402_m...documents.html

"the MMR vaccine clinical trial results were faked by Big Pharma in yet another example of runaway scientific fraud by the vaccine industry.

According to two Merck scientists who filed a False Claims Act complaint in 2010 -- a complaint which was unsealed three years ago -- vaccine manufacturer Merck knowingly falsified its mumps vaccine test data, spiked blood samples with animal antibodies, sold a vaccine that actually promoted mumps and measles outbreaks, and ripped off governments and consumers who bought the vaccine thinking it was "95% effective."

"• Merck's vaccine fraud has actually contributed to the continuation of mumps across America, causing more children to become infected with mumps. Yes, the vaccine spreads disease, they say.

• Merck used its false claims of "95 percent effectiveness" to monopolize the vaccine market and eliminate possible competitors.

• The Merck vaccine fraud has been going on since the late 1990's, say the Merck virologists.

• Testing of Merck's vaccine was never done against "real-world" mumps viruses in the wild. Instead, test results were simply falsified to achieve the desired outcome.

• This entire fraud took place "with the knowledge, authority and approval of Merck's senior management."

US government chose to ignore the 2010 False Claims Act!

Rather than taking action on this false claims act, the U.S. government simply ignored it, thereby protecting Merck's market monopoly instead of properly serving justice. This demonstrates the conspiracy of fraud between the U.S. government, FDA regulators and the vaccine industry.

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Overall, on pretty much any analysis of the vaccine industry, one quickly finds that it is riddled with corruption and deliberate misinformation.

Claims of efficacy are massively over-hyped and generally not supported by rigorous data from independent studies. There is evidence of significant harm from vaccines.

Overall then what we can be sure of is it is not sufficient to simply take on trust that "vaccinations are a good thing".

They are each different, have differing efficacies and the data surrounding them is wide and varied.

There is enough damning evidence out there across a wide range of vaccines to give any rational person pause for thought and to then mandate that it is absolutely vital for each person to do one's research into each specific vaccine and to do it well.

Nothing, but nothing can simply be taken for granted.

We know with the Flu Vaccine that the industry, using respected medical bodies like the CDC, are engaged in deliberate media Campaigns of Fear which purposely put out statements about people dying and that this year's flu strain will be perilous to the weak and vulnerable and so on.

We can see from the above post the controversy over Merck falsifying their success rates for Mumps vaccine.

On balance the anti-vaxxers most definitely have something to shout about.

There is no easy answer.

We most certainly CAN NOT just take our doctor's/GP's word or advice on these things as they are all taught and controlled by the Big Pharma industry itself and it's clear imho that many are wilfully participating in the Flu vaccine scam in order to keep their profit incomes coming in.

It's a minefield, and a very worrying one. When your authorities start mandating vaccinations, it becomes even more worrying.

Do the research.

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Realist the research is that the measles vaccine is 93-97% effective in the normal patient. Obviously if someone has immune deficiency or an allergy to ingredients it's not going to work. But as long as everyone else has a shot those who don't will be at lesser risk of having it passed on by someone who could have had a vaccine but whose parents denied them.

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And Merck claim their Mumps vaccine is 95% effective but as seen above that figure appears to be fabricated.

The Measles data appears to be riddled with false reporting of mortality and false reporting of actual incidence. It seems the criteria for defining what is and what is not Measles was changed back in the 60s which contributed massively to the perception that the vaccine drastically reduced mortality when in fact it was just clever reporting that created that illusion.

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Hi

i have a very simple view of life.

Anyone who has refused a Vaccination pays the full cost of Treatment for their Child and anyone they come into contact with.

Their choice, they pay for it.

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As seen? It's clearly effective or our kids would all have had measles left right and centre and some would have died.

You split hairs - research is clear and we only have outbreaks because of the anti vax nonsense. I never had measles, I had a vaccine. I don't know anyone who had it. If I ask my mum she knows otherwise.

People die because of anti vax nonsense. It's really dangerous to spread such propaganda. The immune system doesn't always cope well with measles. Some survive others die. You have agreed that the polio vaccine is really effective. Why do you have it in for measles? I agree that the vacs should be separated but not that you should contract it for immunity. That's like playing poker with your body.

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You already posted that Swim did you forget? Or was there a reason for the 2nd post. I replied to the first one.

There's no reason why an unvaccinated person should pay costs to anyone except for their own child. Everyone else HAS/HAD the choice to get vaccinated. If they chose not to then that's their decision, their problem, no-one else's.

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Anecdotal opinion Annie nothing more.

As the website I linked to explained this notion that the vaccine has drastically reduced mortality is in question.

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Rubbish! it's a fact that we only have outbreaks in the UK since the vaccine programme has taken hold. In the old days almost everyone had it as a child.