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03-07-2020, 10:45 AM
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Re: EU Overfishing UK waters??

Originally Posted by 7779311 ->
Well let us assume that Macron understands a lot more than you suppose.
You are absolutely right about British waters. France and the Netherlands should leave them to you to exploit and they should find another solution for their fishing industry. One which not entails the UK.

But I cannot find them unreasonable as they have stated their red lines from the beginning as have the UK. This is a game, we all know there can be not agreement in 2020 but the negotiating parties must keep a friendly face until the end.

I am sure the UK and the EU try to avoid being the party to be blamed for no success in the negotiations.

Let us keep calm and wait another 4 months, then it will be over.
Your second sentence is the only one that matters 7779311?
the rest of your statement is based on the premise that EU has
rights to uk waters, which, as you stated in your seconr sentence
they DONT HAVE??
You speak of mutual respect, where is the disrespect from uk in
stating their case? Not they need a case as international law is on
the uk side in this?
EU is seeking to perpetuate an overtly unfair situation in their favour!
UK is only stating that we are reasserting our rights as per the
international laws! Where is the disrespect in that??
The disrespect comes from the EU imo!!

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03-07-2020, 11:48 AM
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Re: EU Overfishing UK waters??

Hi

Fisheries are a nonentity in Financial Terms.

They are however Politically Important to both sides.

Fisheries are devolved, so are only important to England.

The Scottish, Welsh and NI fisheries are devolved and they will make their own decisions Post Brexit.

English Fisheries are only a small % of the total UK Catch.

It is basically England versus France.

It would be a Political Disaster for either Boris or Macron to back down.
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03-07-2020, 11:57 AM
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Re: EU Overfishing UK waters??

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

Fisheries are a nonentity in Financial Terms.

They are however Politically Important to both sides.

Fisheries are devolved, so are only important to England.

The Scottish, Welsh and NI fisheries are devolved and they will make their own decisions Post Brexit.

English Fisheries are only a small % of the total UK Catch.

It is basically England versus France.

It would be a Political Disaster for either Boris or Macron to back down.

Fisheries will be a huge part of our economy and what they offer, especially to coastal towns. If you base your figures on the UK quotas etc today, then I would be inclined to agree with you, but the status quo is not what Brexit is all about when it comes to the future of fisheries or the economy, or rights, or control or just about anything else.

I'm surprised you still don't understand this.

Macron is like Barnier - yesterdays men.
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03-07-2020, 12:52 PM
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Re: EU Overfishing UK waters??

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Fisheries will be a huge part of our economy and what they offer, especially to coastal towns. If you base your figures on the UK quotas etc today, then I would be inclined to agree with you, but the status quo is not what Brexit is all about when it comes to the future of fisheries or the economy, or rights, or control or just about anything else.

I'm surprised you still don't understand this.

Macron is like Barnier - yesterdays men.
Hi

Nope, fisheries will not be a huge part of our Economy even if we took the whole lot back.

You can look this up for yourself.
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03-07-2020, 02:26 PM
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Re: EU Overfishing UK waters??

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

Nope, fisheries will not be a huge part of our Economy even if we took the whole lot back.

You can look this up for yourself.
Maybe so Swimmy?
But what it does is to broaden uk's economic base which is too
finance centric!
It puts the coastal communities back in charge of their own
destiny again instead of relying on handouts from westminster?
The income generated will be directly distributed to the locals
with no interventions by bankers or government needed!
And the figures l saw for what the EU fishing in OUR waters
is nearly 7billion per year? So why cant uk have the benefit of
that?
We could even increase that by careful management instead of
allowing every Tom,Dick & Alphonse to come in with super trawlers
and destroy the sea bed in their efforts to maximise as is happening
right now!! As you well know!!
Our whole coastline would be rejuvenated with no need for dole
payments etc? There are so many spin offs from this l am surprised
you cant see any of them??
One thing we agree on is, we will soon find out!!

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03-07-2020, 02:43 PM
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Re: EU Overfishing UK waters??

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

Nope, fisheries will not be a huge part of our Economy even if we took the whole lot back.

You can look this up for yourself.
The combined*EU fishing*fleets land about 6 million tonnes of*fish*per year, of which about 700,000 tonnes*are*from*UK waters.*
That is including what the UK fishers catch in UK waters.
So the amount of all caught fish in UK waters can be set at ca. 700.000 tonnes.

UK*vessels landed 724 thousand tonnes of sea*fish*into the*UK*and abroad with a*value*of £980 million.

If no EU vessels are allowed anymore in UK waters, it seems logical the UK vessels will no longer be allowed in EU waters.

Now, if UK fishers catch all fish available in UK waters, 700.000 tonnes, they still get less than the 724.000 tonnes they catch while being an EU member.

So where is the logic in the fisheries debate?
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03-07-2020, 02:50 PM
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Re: EU Overfishing UK waters??

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
The combined*EU fishing*fleets land about 6 million tonnes of*fish*per year, of which about 700,000 tonnes*are*from*UK waters.*
That is including what the UK fishers catch in UK waters.
So the amount of all caught fish in UK waters can be set at ca. 700.000 tonnes.

UK*vessels landed 724 thousand tonnes of sea*fish*into the*UK*and abroad with a*value*of £980 million.

If no EU vessels are allowed anymore in UK waters, it seems logical the UK vessels will no longer be allowed in EU waters.

Now, if UK fishers catch all fish available in UK waters, 700.000 tonnes, they still get less than the 724.000 tonnes they catch while being an EU member.

So where is the logic in the fisheries debate?

What EU waters are these - the ones that belong to Norway ? Do you think Norway will allow your boats to raid its fish stocks next year ?

Really ?

Your making the big mistake of knowing nothing about fisheries, the UK fisheries bill or how the world works again.
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03-07-2020, 03:01 PM
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Re: EU Overfishing UK waters??

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
The combined*EU fishing*fleets land about 6 million tonnes of*fish*per year, of which about 700,000 tonnes*are*from*UK waters.*
That is including what the UK fishers catch in UK waters.
So the amount of all caught fish in UK waters can be set at ca. 700.000 tonnes.

UK*vessels landed 724 thousand tonnes of sea*fish*into the*UK*and abroad with a*value*of £980 million.

If no EU vessels are allowed anymore in UK waters, it seems logical the UK vessels will no longer be allowed in EU waters.

Now, if UK fishers catch all fish available in UK waters, 700.000 tonnes, they still get less than the 724.000 tonnes they catch while being an EU member.

So where is the logic in the fisheries debate?
First of all, why do you use so many *?

Secondly, even if we still catch the 700k tons of fish available to us, that still leaves 24k tons of fish that can live on and breed thus, increasing the amount of fish available to feed future generations. This is what fishery management is all about, proper control of stock levels, not like the Dutch method that strips even rocks from the sea bed and destroy everything with their tiny mesh nets. Look at what the WWF has to say and show on this subject.


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03-07-2020, 03:22 PM
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Re: EU Overfishing UK waters??

Originally Posted by Percy Vere ->
First of all, why do you use so many *?

Secondly, even if we still catch the 700k tons of fish available to us, that still leaves 24k tons of fish that can live on and breed thus, increasing the amount of fish available to feed future generations. This is what fishery management is all about, proper control of stock levels, not like the Dutch method that strips even rocks from the sea bed and destroy everything with their tiny mesh nets. Look at what the WWF has to say and show on this subject.
And the EU should thank you for that. These 24,000,000 kilo live in EU waters.
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03-07-2020, 03:27 PM
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Re: EU Overfishing UK waters??

Originally Posted by Bread ->
What EU waters are these - the ones that belong to Norway ? Do you think Norway will allow your boats to raid its fish stocks next year ?

Really ?

Your making the big mistake of knowing nothing about fisheries, the UK fisheries bill or how the world works again.
Norway is negotiating with the EU about reciprocal quota. Norway refuses to do the same with the UK in absence of a EU UK deal on fisheries. Just saying.
 
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