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15-07-2020, 02:52 PM
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Re: Empty Property

Originally Posted by Silver Tabby ->
It will lower the value to half of nothing if they fill the 'empties' up with drunks, druggies and immigrants!
Too right !
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15-07-2020, 02:54 PM
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Re: Empty Property

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All well and good that online shopping seems to be the way now, after lockdown forced this on many people. Don't overlook though, the fact that the extortionate business rates councils charge on shops and business will have to be found elsewhere. This may mean Council Tax will have to increase to fund the shortfall, it's an easy source of instant revenue. My extortionate Council Tax, at almost £50 a week for emptying one bin weekly, is high enough I reckon. Individually I am already paying probably three or four times what the average family pay anyway, and that's with the 25% single occupier discount! I certainly do not want to pay any more for what I consider is a rip-off tax anyway.

The future 'high street' may just consist of charity shops, that's how it seems to be going already anyway. They only pay 20% of the full business rates I believe and often that is donated by the council, in other words us!
My council tax is outrageous too there are two of us .
Our bins are collected every two weeks .
And living in a village we have zero nearby facilities .
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15-07-2020, 03:08 PM
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Re: Empty Property

Originally Posted by Muddy ->
My council tax is outrageous too there are two of us.
Our bins are collected every two weeks.
And living in a village we have zero nearby facilities.
I live in a very rural village and there's just the one of me!

Often I wonder how anyone would feel if they were earning about one-tenth the wages, say the £10,000pa of another person living in the same size property but then by law having to pay that other person's income tax on their higher income, say £100,000pa out of their lesser earnings?

That's what Council Tax does – bring back the Community Charge or Poll Tax as it's also known
as I say, the fairest way of taxing people!
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15-07-2020, 03:48 PM
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Re: Empty Property

Originally Posted by Baz46 ->
I live in a very rural village and there's just the one of me!

Often I wonder how anyone would feel if they were earning about one-tenth the wages, say the £10,000pa of another person living in the same size property but then by law having to pay that other person's income tax on their higher income, say £100,000pa out of their lesser earnings?

That's what Council Tax does – bring back the Poll Tax I say, the fairest way of taxing people!

Damned right but it WASN'T A POLL TAX!

That was very clever Kinnock spin that caught on.

Not only the fairest by far but Socialist's HATED IT so yet another very good reason to bring back the Community Charge.
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15-07-2020, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
Damned right but it WASN'T A POLL TAX!

That was very clever Kinnock spin that caught on.

Not only the fairest by far but Socialist's HATED IT so yet another very good reason to bring back the Community Charge.
My post amended accordingly to add the correct title of this iniquitous tax, it's still the fairest way whatever it's called. I pay about £50 a week, yet a similarly rated house had seven adults all working full time, living there. They were paying less than £9 a week each, yet using seven times more of the facilities than I ever could. Something wrong there somewhere I reckon!
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15-07-2020, 06:17 PM
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Re: Empty Property

Originally Posted by Azure ->
Now the John Lewis are closing many old established Stores,
can't the goverment see that these buildings could be converted to living accomadation for thousands of 'First Time Buyers?
Also many other empty properties out of the Town coud be converted with good management into rehabitation dwellings for Alcohol and Drug abusers.
Also for the homeless too.

There is more than enough empty property to house everyone, much of it owned by Local Councils nd Church of England.
This would help the Economy and bring employment to many.

If the Local Councilx plead poverty, Buiders would be eager to start this work.
Not only the homeless, but an empty government building (of which there are many) could easily be converted into small flatlets - bedroom, kitchen, bathroom and study area, with communal lounge area and perhaps even a bar....... which would serve ALL MP's who need overnight accommodation eliminating the need for many second homes and massive expense claims.
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15-07-2020, 06:49 PM
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Anyone remember Harry Hymes of Centre Point fame? Centre Point was one of Harry's developments that was worth much more empty on the asset list than with tenants as collateral for loans to develop other sites until a bunch of socialist pigs led by Jack Dromey in effect stole centre point. Harry was not best pleased and eventually got his own back and quite rightly too.
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15-07-2020, 07:11 PM
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Re: Empty Property

Hi

Council Tax is not just the bins.

Local services such as planning, transport, highways, police, fire, libraries, leisure and recreation, rubbish collection and disposal, environmental health and trading standards.

By far the biggest amount goes on us oldies, Adult Social Care., closely followed by Childrens Social Care.

It is an unfair system, but the Political Parties cannot agree on another system.

Maggie had the right idea, charging each adult, but that led to rioting.
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15-07-2020, 07:17 PM
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Re: Empty Property

Originally Posted by Azure ->
Buiders would be eager to start this work.
You've obviously never worked for a building company, they are experts at projecting costs and profit margins and they know all about 'conversion' costs which are often a lot more than 'new build'

Originally Posted by Muddy ->
Builders don’t work for pea nuts Azure they want paying vast sums.
Agree, just because a building is empty doesn't mean it's ripe for conversion to anything (Housing is just one of many types of use that old disused buildings can be used for)
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15-07-2020, 07:36 PM
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Re: Empty Property

Hi

Our Plannng Laws and Tax sytems are very restrictive.

We need to look at how other Countries do it.

They have vibrant town centres with a great mix of offices, housing, shops and hospitality.

It works for them, it could work for us.

We have gone down the route of out of Town Retail Parks, a rarity in other Countries.
 
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