10-07-2017, 02:31 PM
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Re: Teachers leaving the profession
Originally Posted by Muddy
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What exactly do you mean?Teachers ( of presumably all standards ) are leaving the profession .
How do you suggest 'raising status '?
As a 13 year old I remember moving from classroom to classroom with the same group of students, in one of the first Comprehensives, a change of teacher meant a change of behaviour from many of the lads and lassies.
They were the same kids, but the teachers by various different means held the classes attention...................or didn't.
Some would allow a virtual free for all, others ruled with an iron fist, different approaches, all getting the results they wanted.
I remember a class bringing a French teacher to tears, another a teacher wrestling with a boy and hurting his leg badly..........................so it wasn't all good back then.......50 plus years ago I am talking about.
By raising standards and status I mean monitoring the teacher's effectiveness and weed out poor teachers. Standards relative to the stream they teach, effectiveness also including class room control.
Just a suggestion.......how about random remote video monitoring, rather than an assessor with clipboard sitting in the classroom.......by agreement obviously. Introduce ex services also for a bit more gravitas.
That might raise student and parent perception of the profession, we have all heard about the bad teacher.
Have a zero tolerance for misdemeanors within the school grounds, and immediate consequences resulting in exclusions as the ultimate punishment. Any criminality, knife or drug carrying immediate exclusion.
10-07-2017, 04:08 PM
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Re: Teachers leaving the profession
Originally Posted by Muddy
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AIUI You can't exclude a child in the state system .A child has to be educated
If you weed out all the less than effective teachers and the rest are leaving anyway who exactly is going to teach ?
They wont leave, their moral will rise.
10-07-2017, 05:05 PM
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Re: Teachers leaving the profession
I have argued this before.Education up to the age of 16 should be freely available to every child in this country.
However, if they or their parents should refuse the offer or refuse to live by the rules, their child(ren) should be expelled and their parents given full responsibility for educating them and ensuring their good behaviour.
If their parents fail to deliver those requirements, they and their children should face the consequences: imprisonment for the parents and an equivalent to Borstal for the children.
I guarantee that the feckless parents we hear so much about today would disappear overnight, one way or the other.
10-07-2017, 10:24 PM
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Re: Teachers leaving the profession
Originally Posted by Muddy
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What special arrangements ?Borstal ?
Boot Camp?
Who is going to educate them -a legal requirement in this country ?
Can you give some tangible suggestions ?
10-07-2017, 10:40 PM
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Re: Teachers leaving the profession
Originally Posted by Bruv
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A separate school that specialises in excluded children, they exist already, if needed more could be set up.
10-07-2017, 11:38 PM
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Re: Teachers leaving the profession
Originally Posted by JBR
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Yes, such places exist. From my experience they are not so much for educational purposes; more for keeping yobs contained and away from children whose parents want them to have an education.
They exist for the purpose of removing troublesome kids from schools.
Removing them gives the other kids a chance to get an education.
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