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I have no idea if that could be a possibility or not, but I suspect it's more scaremongering.

On telly last night, there was a reporter on the local news, out with his microphone asking people in the street if they will have the vaccine if/when it is offered.

Only one person they asked said ' Possibly.' Every single other person said 'No.'

It seems the majority are still very wary and suspicious still.
Sounds like an irresponsible question, and they are probably being selective with the respondents they screen. 😐
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People here have been treated for cancer by the NHS, they have had children delivered by the NHS and they have had vaccinations administered by NHS medics. Many here are alive because of the NHS. Why would the NHS suddenly be out to get people?
Maybe the spotty obese billy-no-mates who dream up and peddle the theories know more than the nhs do
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Do you see yourself as an anti Vaxxer OGF?
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That's how brainwashing works. Even the most intelligent are hoodwinked.
No I don't see myself as an anti-vaxxer Annie, I see myself as somebody who takes full responsibility for his own health. And if I think it might be bad for my health it doesn't go in. The human body is a wonderful thing, it can make repairs when it gets damaged, and it can fight off most illnesses if it's kept in good nick. How many vaccines are available these days?... My Dad had one or two, I had perhaps five or six, my daughter had ten or twelve, and my grandkids have had at least twenty......Come on Annie, who wants to live in a sterile world until they are 150 too frightened to go out without a mask or the appropriate vaccination?....Label me if you will, but I will continue to live my life by my rules not the NHS or the government. I'm seventy years old and as fit as a butchers dog, sure, I've had a couple of wobbles over the years but today I've just returned from an eight mile run, so whatever it is that I'm doing seems to be doing the trick....If it ain't broke.....

And you are quite correct about brainwashing Annie, but it works both ways, and the establishment have the upper hand when it comes to brainwashing, they have got the media and your bank details.....I read all sides to any story, and at the moment the jury is still out on what's going on in the world today with covid, brexit, and this stupid PC world. None of this has affected me in the little village where I live, so until it does, I'll carry on as I've always done....
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Mups here is an Australian analysis of that particular sterility claim :

https://www.aap.com.au/covid-19-vacc...udy-from-1989/

"“They picked together a few unrelated concepts in an implausible way to try and mount an argument, suggesting that a COVID vaccine was going to leave people infertile. There’s just nothing to substantiate that,” Prof Griffin said."

The above statement pretty much sums up the rubbish I have seen on the net about Covid and the vaccine. I've seen you tube videos dubbed where someone is talking in a different language and their message is deliberately mistranslated. We did also have a new poster here where the thread was deleted when it was found that it was fake news about covid children's cases. The message was verbatim from an official source and then twisted partway through to substantiate a completely different message. So I do think there is a load of rubbish on the internet trying to change opinion and imitating official sources.

People here have been treated for cancer by the NHS, they have had children delivered by the NHS and they have had vaccinations administered by NHS medics. Many here are alive because of the NHS. Why would the NHS suddenly be out to get people?

I have never said the NHS is 'out to get people' Annie?
I also said I suspect the sterility thing is just scaremongering.

But I did say many people are scared of the vaccine because it is new and unknown. I still stick by that.

If anyone does not agree with the reasoning for reluctance of many, perhaps they would like to offer another possibility?
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22-11-2020, 01:00 PM
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Is anybody on OFF seriously worried that sterility is a side effect of anything? We are all past our "Best before" date and it is not like there is any shortage of people. There are whole threads of complaints about the number of people in their country.


I agree with you about any possible sterility problem in our age groups Bruce, but if you read back a few posts I did say it would only be a worry for those that are trying for a baby - which is not likely affect many of us!

However, the vaccine isn't only for us oldies, so I am trying to understand all age groups fears, not just our own.
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22-11-2020, 01:03 PM
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Sounds like an irresponsible question, and they are probably being selective with the respondents they screen. 😐


I don't know dOOd, all I saw was there was a young couple with a push chair who said 'No' as well as middle age +, so it was a varied bunch they asked.
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22-11-2020, 01:07 PM
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No I don't see myself as an anti-vaxxer Annie, I see myself as somebody who takes full responsibility for his own health. And if I think it might be bad for my health it doesn't go in. The human body is a wonderful thing, it can make repairs when it gets damaged, and it can fight off most illnesses if it's kept in good nick. How many vaccines are available these days?... My Dad had one or two, I had perhaps five or six, my daughter had ten or twelve, and my grandkids have had at least twenty......Come on Annie, who wants to live in a sterile world until they are 150 too frightened to go out without a mask or the appropriate vaccination?....Label me if you will, but I will continue to live my life by my rules not the NHS or the government. I'm seventy years old and as fit as a butchers dog, sure, I've had a couple of wobbles over the years but today I've just returned from an eight mile run, so whatever it is that I'm doing seems to be doing the trick....If it ain't broke.....

And you are quite correct about brainwashing Annie, but it works both ways, and the establishment have the upper hand when it comes to brainwashing,
they have got the media and your bank details.....I read all sides to any story, and at the moment the jury is still out on what's going on in the world today with covid, brexit, and this stupid PC world. None of this has affected me in the little village where I live, so until it does, I'll carry on as I've always done....


I do agree with you about the power of brainwashing, Foxy.
I also agree that for your age group, you are probably one of the fittest people on the forum, so you can't be doing much wrong.
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22-11-2020, 01:14 PM
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I don't know dOOd, all I saw was there was a young couple with a push chair who said 'No' as well as middle age +, so it was a varied bunch they asked.
There is no such thing as "the vaccine":

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-de...hoCTNoQAvD_BwE

What types of COVID-19 vaccines are being developed? How would they work?

Scientists around the world are developing many potential vaccines for COVID-19. These vaccines are all designed to teach the body’s immune system to safely recognize and block the virus that causes COVID-19.

Several different types of potential vaccines for COVID-19 are in development, including:
  • Inactivated or weakened virus vaccines, which use a form of the virus that has been inactivated or weakened so it doesn’t cause disease, but still generates an immune response.
  • Protein-based vaccines, which use harmless fragments of proteins or protein shells that mimic the COVID-19 virus to safely generate an immune response.
  • Viral vector vaccines, which use a virus that has been genetically engineered so that it can’t cause disease, but produces coronavirus proteins to safely generate an immune response.
  • RNA and DNA vaccines, a cutting-edge approach that uses genetically engineered RNA or DNA to generate a protein that itself safely prompts an immune response.
A list of vaccine candidates is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...ine_candidates
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Re: Wonderful News! (Vaccination trials successful)

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There is no such thing as "the vaccine":

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-de...hoCTNoQAvD_BwE

What types of COVID-19 vaccines are being developed? How would they work?


OK. A vaccine then.

You're splitting hairs.
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22-11-2020, 01:31 PM
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OK. A vaccine then.

You're splitting hairs.
No, I'm not .....

No-one knows much about the efficacy of ANY of the candidates yet - and all vaccines aren't suitable for every one, while specialised vaccines may be needed for others.

Additionally, short/long-term adverse reactions may appear in a mass vaccination program while the longevity of "protection" (in real-life) of all candidates has yet to be established.
 
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