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04-02-2018, 02:57 PM
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Re: The next round of negotiations.

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Could you please illustrate why you think we can't 'afford' both Brexit and immigration controls!!

You just make up unsubstantiated nonsense and dispense it as though it is fact.....It's your uneducated opinion, Annie.

As the sixth largest economy in the WORLD with a GDP in 2017 of £490+billion and GROWING I contend that we can easily afford immigration controls and brexit.

As for Corbyn.....If he gets elected that will be the will of the people and it will be his time. He supports Brexit, as all true Socialists should, so I don't fear a Corbyn Govt from a Brexit standpoint.

Yes of course we can keep borrowing - here is the UK national debt clock, let's keep adding to it and let the future generation worry about how to pay it back :

https://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/d.../unitedkingdom

Not forgetting that many voted brexit because of the benefits to the next generation....

Perhaps you can explain how we can afford brexit and immigration controls without increasing national debt? Print more money?

Corbyn if elected has promised to buy back the privatised ex national industries. So our national debt will spiral from where it is now. There is no way that our infrastructure can be sustained into the next generation if we keep borrowing to this extent unless we have unprecedented growth. But how will an ultra-socialist government create this growth?
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04-02-2018, 03:05 PM
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Hi

In response.

We are spending already far more than we earn.

Our Interest Payments amount to over £40 billion a year.

This is stupid.

We need a serious increase in personal taxation and NI to pay for it.

It is no different to managing your personal finances, I pay my Credit Card off in full every month.
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04-02-2018, 03:16 PM
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Large increases in taxation will reduce spending and stifle growth. The economic model we are in requires a careful balance in order to generate the growth we need. Right now we need trade agreements and certainty.
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04-02-2018, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
Yes of course we can keep borrowing - here is the UK national debt clock, let's keep adding to it and let the future generation worry about how to pay it back :

https://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/d.../unitedkingdom

Not forgetting that many voted brexit because of the benefits to the next generation....

Perhaps you can explain how we can afford brexit and immigration controls without increasing national debt? Print more money?

Corbyn if elected has promised to buy back the privatised ex national industries. So our national debt will spiral from where it is now. There is no way that our infrastructure can be sustained into the next generation if we keep borrowing to this extent unless we have unprecedented growth. But how will an ultra-socialist government create this growth?

More waffle from you Annie.

You haven't explained in any way how it is that we couldn't pay for immigration controls or brexit.

I say again.......How is it we won't be able to pay for immigration controls or Brexit?

Are you saying we have no money, we generate no income and we have no credit raising ability ?

Is that what you are saying? Because that is utterly false and utterly mistaken and utterly wrong.

Btw This has nothing to do with debt but with our ability to pay........ I say we can pay for Brexit ( if we need to )and we can pay for immigration controls ..

One other thing.......please don't speak on behalf of those who voted for Brexit. You are quite demonstrably the last person who should be doing that!
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04-02-2018, 06:38 PM
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Re: The next round of negotiations.

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

In response.

We are spending already far more than we earn.

Our Interest Payments amount to over £40 billion a year.

This is stupid.

We need a serious increase in personal taxation and NI to pay for it.

It is no different to managing your personal finances, I pay my Credit Card off in full every month.
Or cancel trident , leave the EU or reduce spending on overseas aid, health, welfare, defence etc......lots of ways to reduce debt and spending. It's not just about raising taxes
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04-02-2018, 06:56 PM
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Annies , you dont appear to me to be uneducated,your posts are very well put together and contain many interesting ideas. I just wondered where this person " Moscow " has been able to find facts that you are not an Educated person. Does he know what educational establishments you went to and what degree of qualifications you obtained. He seems to assume that many of us were brought up in the workhouse with no access to Education.
keep up the good posts
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04-02-2018, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Moscow ->
More waffle from you Annie.

You haven't explained in any way how it is that we couldn't pay for immigration controls or brexit.

I say again.......How is it we won't be able to pay for immigration controls or Brexit?

Are you saying we have no money, we generate no income and we have no credit raising ability ?

Is that what you are saying? Because that is utterly false and utterly mistaken and utterly wrong.

Btw This has nothing to do with debt but with our ability to pay........ I say we can pay for Brexit ( if we need to )and we can pay for immigration controls ..

One other thing.......please don't speak on behalf of those who voted for Brexit. You are quite demonstrably the last person who should be doing that!
It's you who cannot explain how we can find money for everything we need to do to deliver Brexit and keep the rest of our national infrastructure going. Saying we can doesn't explain anything. We already have public services such as police, schools, social care, councils and the NHS fraying at the seams. How are you going to keep funding all that?

Where do you think the money will come from without trade agreements and without an agreement of how the City will function (which contributes about a quarter of our income)? Where's the strategy to deliver it all? Where are the sums to say it will all add up - do you have any facts yourself?

But that's ok if you don't understand how the economy works. You can't just keep borrowing from a bottomless pit without end or our credit rating will end up like that of Greece. But you stay right up there on your high horse and blame everyone else for the ensuing mess.
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04-02-2018, 08:32 PM
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Prediction .... By the time we actually have to pay back the debt we will have out grown capitalism and done away with money altogether. If not it'll be so long into the future there won't be any humans to worry about it.
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04-02-2018, 08:52 PM
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Well it will be a big problem in about ten years unless we get our act together. We will be in a cycle where all our infrastructure needs development and replacement as well as a growing elderly population to be maintained. That at the same time as fewer jobs for ordinary people because of automation.

Capitalism isn't going to go anywhere in that time. It will be for our children and grandchildren to sort. No wonder they shake their heads in bewilderment.
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04-02-2018, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Norway ->
Annies , you dont appear to me to be uneducated,your posts are very well put together and contain many interesting ideas. I just wondered where this person " Moscow " has been able to find facts that you are not an Educated person. Does he know what educational establishments you went to and what degree of qualifications you obtained. He seems to assume that many of us were brought up in the workhouse with no access to Education.
keep up the good posts
You misunderstand the context of the word 'uneducated' in my earlier post. It's not your fault. It's possibly a translation issue...assuming you are a Norwegian national.
In the context I used the word it was not referencing exam results achieved at educational establishments during her younger days.
In the context I used the word it was referencing her grasp of current fiscal responsibilities of Government.

Also you are being a hypocrite by srating that you don't find her uneducated based on your intuition from reading her posts and yet criticising me when you assumed I had done the same.......dear, dear Norway....At least try to be consistent!!
 
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