16-03-2019, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Studying and so learning the reality of Islam does not make someone s better person - unless finding the truth results in a Muslim choosing to become apostate - but sure as eggs is eggs it opens ones eyes about what a murderous cult it is and the utter garbage and tissue of lies on which it based.
16-03-2019, 12:14 PM
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Re: Churchill NZ under lockdown!
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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My dear, with respect I probably know very much more about Islam than anyone on this site.
16-03-2019, 12:17 PM
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A Life is a life and I would hope that we would all be sorry that an innocent life had been lost... especially to violence!There are many decent Muslims living in the world but, if they won't outwardly reject those who use their religion to justify killing people, then they must accept that they may be considered the same!
Look at the Catholic religion that has covered up the actions of some priests for many years. If your child had wanted to spend time with a priest, how could you be sure that he was not one who abused children?
Until the Pope was recently forced to admit what had been happening, many other children may have been wrongly abused! Isn't it time that Imams made a public declaration that anybody who used violence, in the name of their religion, would not be allowed into their Mosque again.
Until they do there will always be mistrust of Muslims.
The Australian who has killed the New Zealand Muslims, will be dealt with by the law , but in many countries Islam is the law & until that is changed it will be hard for people to not judge them as all being the same
16-03-2019, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Longdogs
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With respect Julie, why does anyone need to understand it. I don't understand any religion so why should understanding Islam make someone a better person? What about Shintoism or Buddhism?
I feel very sorry for them when they have done nothing wrong but get blamed for things they consider to be so heinously against their religion that they don't even recognise the people doing it as Muslims.
People take bits of Koran seeming to forget bits of the bible are just as bloody and war like.
A good decent Imam will explain how it can be interpreted as a peace filled religion these days, that it isn't a to do list at all. Just like bible isn't a to do list either or we would all be doing some pretty nasty things.
Most mosques now print out their sermons so anyone can access them in English and see what is being preached. I take advantage of that quite often so I know what several mosques are saying. Reassures me and leaves me more afraid of far right idiots like the one attacked the mosque than the people inside the mosque.
16-03-2019, 12:28 PM
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Re: Churchill NZ under lockdown!
Originally Posted by Twink55
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A Life is a life and I would hope that we would all be sorry that an innocent life had been lost... especially to violence!There are many decent Muslims living in the world but, if they won't outwardly reject those who use their religion to justify killing people, then they must accept that they may be considered the same!
Look at the Catholic religion that has covered up the actions of some priests for many years. If your child had wanted to spend time with a priest, how could you be sure that he was not one who abused children?
Until the Pope was recently forced to admit what had been happening, many other children may have been wrongly abused! Isn't it time that Imams made a public declaration that anybody who used violence, in the name of their religion, would not be allowed into their Mosque again.
Until they do there will always be mistrust of Muslims.
The Australian who has killed the New Zealand Muslims, will be dealt with by the law , but in many countries Islam is the law & until that is changed it will be hard for people to not judge them as all being the same
16-03-2019, 12:34 PM
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Re: Churchill NZ under lockdown!
Originally Posted by Julie1962
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So do we all have to reject what this man did as he claims to do it in our names or do we assume right minded people understand he doesn't represent us at all ? Most Muslims don't see the violence as being part of their religion, they assume I think we all realise they aren't to blame. But many have spoken out you just don't hear them as they don't get mass coverage like people like choudray do. At one point I remember choudray on many tv shows and the Muslims local to me almost in tears they couldn't get to say anything on the same platforms to condemn him, it was almost like the media wanted to blame them all.
Those like Choudary incite Muslims to murder, which some do. You then get those like the guy in NZ who wants revenge, so kills Muslims. Therefore, surely it's in their interest to shout down all hate preachers as much as possible?
16-03-2019, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fender
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They could protest him and other hate preachers on the street, but they don't. I mean lets be honest here, it generally doesn't take very much for them to be offended and protest does it?Those like Choudary incite Muslims to murder, which some do. You then get those like the guy in NZ who wants revenge, so kills Muslims. Therefore, surely it's in their interest to shout down all hate preachers as much as possible?
16-03-2019, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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I think some of the problem is many are scared of them, it's far more common for a Muslim to be killed by one of these people than us non Muslims. They really hate real Muslims.
16-03-2019, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fender
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But we're always "led to believe" that the extremist are a tiny minority. So, wouldn't the good ones have strength in numbers?
Why would anyone put themselves forward if the police won't act ?
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