09-05-2019, 08:37 PM
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Re: Five European Countries that should be afraid, very afraid.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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No, but once you have made a deal about how to devide their numbers, every country should stick to the deal.
It should not be down to one person's influence that we take huge numbers of refugees that will upset the whole balance of national cultures and security. That is one decision that I think was absolutely devastating to the EU. It is not the way to do things!
There are ways to keep refugees safe & healthy close to their homelands. It is not only difficult for the host but difficult for the refugees to end up in an even more hostile environment when they have been through so much.
09-05-2019, 08:39 PM
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Re: Five European Countries that should be afraid, very afraid.
Originally Posted by fender
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Quite right Annie.
09-05-2019, 08:45 PM
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Re: Five European Countries that should be afraid, very afraid.
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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But we don't have to leave the EU to stick two fingers up! We should have been doing it all along. I am not sure why we have been so compliant other than the fact that it's easier fir career politicians than being assertive and obstructive.
If as you say, we'd stood up to them more and ignored a lot of the nonsense (like other countries do) - it may not have come to Brexit at all.
09-05-2019, 08:52 PM
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Re: Five European Countries that should be afraid, very afraid.
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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No we should sack whoever made a deal that is so stupid and ask them to rethink (or actually "think" in the first place!).It should not be down to one person's influence that we take huge numbers of refugees that will upset the whole balance of national cultures and security. That is one decision that I think was absolutely devastating to the EU. It is not the way to do things!
There are ways to keep refugees safe & healthy close to their homelands. It is not only difficult for the host but difficult for the refugees to end up in an even more hostile environment when they have been through so much.
You talk about upsetting the balance of national culture. How stable is the 30 mln strong british culture. Is your balance upset by 300 3,000 30,000 300,000 immigrants? Can you tell?
09-05-2019, 08:56 PM
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Re: Five European Countries that should be afraid, very afraid.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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I'm talking of the situation where a small island like cypres or a country like greece is being swamped by refugees. Driving them back into the sea or otherwise let them drown (as has been suggested on this forum) is not a humane solution. Being incapable to take in these numbers you ask "fellow countries" to aid. Promises made should subsequently be kept. Don't you think?You talk about upsetting the balance of national culture. How stable is the 30 mln strong british culture. Is your balance upset by 300 3,000 30,000 300,000 immigrants? Can you tell?
09-05-2019, 08:57 PM
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Re: Five European Countries that should be afraid, very afraid.
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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But we don't have to leave the EU to stick two fingers up! We should have been doing it all along. I am not sure why we have been so compliant other than the fact that it's easier fir career politicians than being assertive and obstructive.
It's so unlike the british to give up and walk out. It kind of feels like you surrendered.
09-05-2019, 08:58 PM
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Re: Five European Countries that should be afraid, very afraid.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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I'm talking of the situation where a small island like cypres or a country like greece is being swamped by refugees. Driving them back into the sea or otherwise let them drown (as has been suggested on this forum) is not a humane solution. Being incapable to take in these numbers you ask "fellow countries" to aid. Promises made should subsequently be kept. Don't you think?You talk about upsetting the balance of national culture. How stable is the 30 mln strong british culture. Is your balance upset by 300 3,000 30,000 300,000 immigrants? Can you tell?
At present the balance in the UK is upset by any immigrants that do not fit in with the culture. Even one is too much for many people living here. So why would we agree to take any because of a bad strategy by the EU centre in dealing with this mess?
09-05-2019, 09:01 PM
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Re: Five European Countries that should be afraid, very afraid.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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How do you think you got to get the most opt outs of any EU member? By begging? No, by putting 1 finger up! It's so unlike the british to give up and walk out. It kind of feels like you surrendered.
I have always said we should have had a far greater role at running the EU and making decisions. It is not down to a lack of testosterone but down to sheer laziness and passing the buck by the British centre of power. Always easier to let others do the hard work and then blame them when things don't work out in our favour.
09-05-2019, 09:02 PM
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Re: Five European Countries that should be afraid, very afraid.
Originally Posted by fender
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They should just refuse entry or sail the parasites straight back.
09-05-2019, 09:04 PM
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Re: Five European Countries that should be afraid, very afraid.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Now that there are camps in neighbouring countries where these refugees are concentrated together I tend to agree. Economic refugees on europe's shores should be brought back to these camps to discourage others. They can tell the others that it is useless to pay smugglers to bring them to europe. They will be caught and brought back.
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