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Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
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So why then have JRM, Boris, Liam, Gove and David Davies not challenged her?

If it is so simple to get a better deal, where are they?
Too busy squirrelling their ill gotten gains in Swiss bank accounts?
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07-07-2018, 12:44 PM
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Realist the Magna Carta and the basis of English law were laid down by French kings. There has always been a connection with Europe and it's not a bad thing to not try to fix what ain't broke.
Not by choice but by the threat of rebellion. King John, the signatory of the Charter, gave his word that its demands would be met. He went back on that word as soon as the ink was dry on the page - typical Frenchman? It's not for me to say. Magna Carta was then laid fallow for a number of years before being re-instated with its aims somewhat diluted. Not unlike an EU agreement in that regard.
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07-07-2018, 12:59 PM
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The threat of rebellion by Germans, this was after the Italians of course....
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07-07-2018, 01:09 PM
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No need to worry the Parliament or the EU will quite likely turn it down like all the other schemes thought up by Remainers to keep us in thrall to the EU serving their vested interests.
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07-07-2018, 01:11 PM
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Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

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The threat of rebellion by Germans, this was after the Italians of course....
A German/Dane hybrid mixed with a bit of Ancient Britons and Celts for the previous 200 years before the Norman invasion. The more astute of you will notice the word Norman as in North Man - Viking raiders to Gaul/Francia who were given land in Northern France to settle to stop further Viking raids especially after the sack of Paris, that land of course being Normandy, so if you wish to be pedantic (and why not? ), we were invaded by Vikings from northern France and not the French themselves.
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07-07-2018, 01:14 PM
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Anyway, enough of the history lesson, back to the topic in hand.

We, (the Leavers) have just been sold down the river - with all the capitulation in May's latest bulletin we may as well have not voted leave in the first place. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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07-07-2018, 01:23 PM
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And, right on cue, the backslapper and suck up.
Here comes another one.
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07-07-2018, 02:54 PM
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An interesting statement Twizzle, yet I strongly suspect that most of these Remainers have not one clue about our country's actual principles and ideals.

A lesson in history and the British Constitution is in order here.

For 100s of years wars have been fought, Kings/Queens come and gone and finally at the end of it all we managed to put in place some fundamental agreements that would establish DEMOCRACY and protect the rights of ordinary citizens such that no monarchy or government could run roughshod over the people.

You may remember learning about the MAGNA CARTA (1215) from school.

It was and is a fundamental agreement for this country. It absolutely underpins our right to fairness and justice. One of it's most well known elements is the statement:

""‘to no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice’."

What that means in terms that good right-minded British people understand is

"INNOCENT UNTIL PROVED GUILTY"

This my friend is what is meant by "principles and ideals"

It is the backbone of OUR BRITISH justice system which we all now take for granted and assume still exists.

It runs alongside something called Habeus Corpus

It means that if a member of your family or a friend is seized and locked away, YOU have the right to go and demand to see the body and to see the evidence for the crime by which the person is being detained.

These are fundamental "principles and ideals" that BRITAIN has enjoyed for 100s of years.

You talk about BrExiteers ruining these principles and ideals.

You have not a clue what you are talking about.

The EU does away with Habeus Corpus

In it's stead it wishes to roll out something called Corpus Juris

I encourage those wishing to educate themselves to Google both terms.

Corpus Juris gives the EU State Police the right to detain and incarcerate anyone for any reason for long periods of time WITHOUT having acquired any evidence of a crime, without having built any case.

How many TV crime dramas have we seen where the leading detective says :

"we have to find a fingerprint or some evidence within 24hrs otherwise we'll have to let the suspect walk free"

That's because Britain has enjoyed these most fundamental rights and freedoms, which have been there for 100s of years set out in documents like the Magna Carta, Bill Of Rights and so on.

The EU Federal State changes all of this. Our British justice system is now trumped by the European Court Of Justice.

The EU uses Corpus Juris which gives them unprecedented right to seize anyone, throw them in jail, sometimes for months or years WITHOUT having any actual evidence or concrete case. It then becomes the responsibility of the incarcerated victim to PROVE THEIR INNOCENCE which, from the confines of a cell, is somewhat impossible.

These are the kind of core and fundamental principles that BrExiteers are fighting for whilst the uneducated whinging young Remainers have no clue about. They just want the freedom to go work abroad but the day they are incarcerated without due process or redress is the day they will have their epiphany.

Innocent Until Proved Guilty is our most fundamental principle and ideal.

There are also other freedoms bestowed by our Constitutional agreements. This is a sample list:

• The right to bear arms
• The right to petition the Sovereign
• Free men cannot be imprisoned without cause
• The Government cannot arrest any man because he disagrees with the Government’s policies
• Habeas corpus is not to be denied
• No person will be compelled to make loans to the King, and there will be no tax without the approval of Parliament
• Soldiers and sailors will not be billeted on civilians
• Government will not impose martial law during peacetime"

The right to bear arms gives every person the right to self defence using reasonable force, including deadly force if appropriate.

Do you believe you still have that right?

Our fraudulent politicians have used tragic events as an excuse to remove that right. Such has historically been the work of governments with good reason to fear their people - governments intent on some kind of future totalitarian control of their populations"

A final note.

The Declaration Of Right, another fundamental principle of this country states that:

"no foreign prince, person, prelate, state, or potentate hath, or ought to have, any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence, or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm."


That being the case, the presence of the EU, it's rule over Britain, it's own ECJ justice system taking precedence over our own justice system, is all illegal and unconstitutional.

How could Britain ever have given up its power and sovereignty to foreign EU powers without politicians conducting outright fraud and arbitrarily ignoring these great constitutional principles? These are acts of actual Treason, for which the punishment was always death.

Equally, how could the Queen give Royal Assent to the various EU Treaties which transferred the country's powers and sovereignty over to the this foreign power, the EU?
She too has betrayed the people in doing so.


I put it to you Twizzle that Remainiacs are ignorant of the core principles and ideals of this country, principles which were hard fought for, through bloody war and sacrifice, principles which were there to protect the very freedoms that they now enjoy.

The EU is an emerging Federal/Totalitarian State which is as far from British principles and ideals as one can get.

It is the duty of every good and right-minded British citizen to insist that the British Constitution is restored and once and for all properly codified in one formal document.


https://www.britishconstitutiongroup.com/

This states quite clearly the potential dangers we face if May manages to keep us in the EU in all but name, and I am completely in agreement with it.

However, I fear that we have lost the right to bear arms, as defined here. This, of course, was replaced by the presence of an effective police service which, I'm afraid, seems not to be the case today.
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07-07-2018, 03:04 PM
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Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

Originally Posted by Judd ->
Anyway, enough of the history lesson, back to the topic in hand.

We, (the Leavers) have just been sold down the river - with all the capitulation in May's latest bulletin we may as well have not voted leave in the first place. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
The damage has been done.
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07-07-2018, 03:11 PM
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Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
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So why then have JRM, Boris, Liam, Gove and David Davies not challenged her?

If it is so simple to get a better deal, where are they?
Because they are outnumbered. May has ensured that there are more remainers than leavers in her cabinet, even excluding her herself.

Also, she has threatened to sack those who are opposed to her.

I have heard that she even demanded that they hand in their mobile phones before entering the 'discussions', presumably to deny them the possibility of liaising with any of their own supporters.

As for a 'better deal', I am not interested in any deal whatsoever. 17.4 million voters demanded to leave the EU and nothing on the leaflet issued preceding the vote mentioned anything about a deal. People just wanted to leave the organisation without compromise.

She comes out of this sounding very dictatorial, doesn't she? She must be very sure of herself, and probably hasn't heard that she has quite likely signed her own death warrant and that of her party.

2022 is going to be a very interesting year, even assuming nothing untoward (like a vote of no confidence) arises before that.
 
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