24-10-2019, 12:03 PM
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Vile Squatters.
Very good article in the Sun by Olivia Utley this morning.She tells it as it is, and no doubt, exactly how 17.4 plus people view it as well.
Quote.
There was finally a Brexit breakthrough just after 7pm on Tuesday.
After three years of whinging and dithering, MPs eventually found the guts to rally round and vote in favour of a viable Brexit option.
From the beaches of Cornwall to the backstreets of Blythe, fed-up Brits breathed a collective sigh of relief.
Surprise, surprise, it lasted for about 15 minutes.
Smartypants Remainer MPs decided that, though the deal was all very well in theory, they couldn’t possibly be expected to actually make it work now.
No, no, no - they needed time to scrutinise. Leaving the EU is a big decision, after all, and to rush it would be unthinkable.
Which is, as voters know only too well, utter codswallap.
These people have already had more than three years to blather on about the pros and cons of Brexit, and most of that was pointless anyway because the decision to leave the EU was made by their constituents on 23rd June 2016.
No, the reason so many MPs made the perverse decision to vote for a deal, then immediately vote for a motion which fundamentally undermines it, is that they are dyed-in-the-wool Remoaners.
And they will stop at nothing to reverse the result of the referendum.
When their constituents look in danger of exploding with rage, they will throw them a bone. But that’s as
far as their democratic impulses go.
In their infinite arrogance and sense of entitlement, these over-educated politicians see themselves not as our elected representatives, but as God’s representatives on Earth.
Constituents, with their stuck-in-the-mud views and old-fashioned belief in the greatness of their country, are there to be placated and patronised - but actually listening to them is a step too far. The bitter irony of the whole ludicrous affair is that each new delay dreamed up by smug Europhile MPs is another nail in the coffin of the future relationship between Britain and the EU.
Even if the British political class is desperate to keep banging on about Brexit, the rest of Europe - and the rest of the world - has already lost patience.
Although the letter(s) that Boris Johnson was forced to send to Donald Tusk have been received and duly noted, the lack of enthusiasm for any hold-up among the 27 partners is crystal clear.
Now that an end is in sight, they cannot wait for the British to bring the whole sorry business to an end. And those who try to get in the way of that end - including British MPs - are regarded as nothing but a nuisance.
Every single one of the desperate politicians who voted against the programme motion to set out a timetable for the bill, deserves the contempt of voters.
But particular fury must be reserved for Dominic Grieve and his simpering partner in crime, Justine Greening. This odious pair stood as Conservatives in the 2017 General Election and said - repeatedly and on record - that Parliament had a duty to deliver the result of the referendum. Their resolve lasted just as long as it took them to get elected, then all of a sudden they changed their minds.
Three years on, they are still squatting shamelessly, sitting as Independent MPs away from the Government benches, spending their days making long, impassioned speeches about the joys of a second referendum.
Who do they think they are kidding? - while doing everything they can to block the heroic efforts of their former colleagues to get Brexit done.
In any normal democracy, they would be out on their ears.
But this rotten Parliament is anything but normal - or democratic.
Thanks to the Fixed-term Parliaments Act - the brainchild of Oliver Letwin, a man with the common sense expected of someone with a philosophical treaties entitled Ethics, Emotion And The Unity Of The Self to his name - A General Election is out of the question until the Labour frontbench deigns to agree to it. And when will that be?
Well, if Jeremy Corbyn had any decency, it would be right now.
Over and over again, he has said he is simply desperate to go to the people, just as soon as his conditions are met. Well, now they have been.
The Surrender Act has been passed into law and the Prime Minister has been successfully strong-armed into going back to the EU with a begging bowl.
But Corbyn knows his chances of winning an outright majority in an election are vanishingly small, so with no conceivable excuse left, he continues to hold out against one.
Three and a half years ago, Brits voted in their droves to take back control of our democracy.
On Tuesday, MPs showed their complete and utter contempt for that vote.
If they think that voters won’t notice, they are living in cloud cuckoo land.
However much Corbyn dreads it, an election really is round the corner.
AND THIS ROTTEN PARLIAMENT IS LIVING ON BORROWED TIME!
Unquote.
I believe the above is exactly how it is. A reckoning is coming. We may have to wait longer than we wished, but as the saying goes - “Revenge is a dish best served cold”. Our disgraceful majority of Brexit wrecking MPs may well be feeling smug every time they inflict another blow at BJ trying to get Brexit done,(with the connivance of the Speaker) but Leave voters are a patient, respectful lot. No need for organised marches with factory made placards. We will have our say at the ballot box.
24-10-2019, 12:44 PM
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Re: Vile Squatters.
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Very good article in the Sun by Olivia Utley this morning.She tells it as it is, and no doubt, exactly how 17.4 plus people view it as well.
Quote.
There was finally a Brexit breakthrough just after 7pm on Tuesday.
After three years of whinging and dithering, MPs eventually found the guts to rally round and vote in favour of a viable Brexit option.
From the beaches of Cornwall to the backstreets of Blythe, fed-up Brits breathed a collective sigh of relief.
Surprise, surprise, it lasted for about 15 minutes.
Smartypants Remainer MPs decided that, though the deal was all very well in theory, they couldn’t possibly be expected to actually make it work now.
No, no, no - they needed time to scrutinise. Leaving the EU is a big decision, after all, and to rush it would be unthinkable.
Which is, as voters know only too well, utter codswallap.
These people have already had more than three years to blather on about the pros and cons of Brexit, and most of that was pointless anyway because the decision to leave the EU was made by their constituents on 23rd June 2016.
No, the reason so many MPs made the perverse decision to vote for a deal, then immediately vote for a motion which fundamentally undermines it, is that they are dyed-in-the-wool Remoaners.
And they will stop at nothing to reverse the result of the referendum.
When their constituents look in danger of exploding with rage, they will throw them a bone. But that’s as
far as their democratic impulses go.
In their infinite arrogance and sense of entitlement, these over-educated politicians see themselves not as our elected representatives, but as God’s representatives on Earth.
Constituents, with their stuck-in-the-mud views and old-fashioned belief in the greatness of their country, are there to be placated and patronised - but actually listening to them is a step too far. The bitter irony of the whole ludicrous affair is that each new delay dreamed up by smug Europhile MPs is another nail in the coffin of the future relationship between Britain and the EU.
Even if the British political class is desperate to keep banging on about Brexit, the rest of Europe - and the rest of the world - has already lost patience.
Although the letter(s) that Boris Johnson was forced to send to Donald Tusk have been received and duly noted, the lack of enthusiasm for any hold-up among the 27 partners is crystal clear.
Now that an end is in sight, they cannot wait for the British to bring the whole sorry business to an end. And those who try to get in the way of that end - including British MPs - are regarded as nothing but a nuisance.
Every single one of the desperate politicians who voted against the programme motion to set out a timetable for the bill, deserves the contempt of voters.
But particular fury must be reserved for Dominic Grieve and his simpering partner in crime, Justine Greening. This odious pair stood as Conservatives in the 2017 General Election and said - repeatedly and on record - that Parliament had a duty to deliver the result of the referendum. Their resolve lasted just as long as it took them to get elected, then all of a sudden they changed their minds.
Three years on, they are still squatting shamelessly, sitting as Independent MPs away from the Government benches, spending their days making long, impassioned speeches about the joys of a second referendum.
Who do they think they are kidding? - while doing everything they can to block the heroic efforts of their former colleagues to get Brexit done.
In any normal democracy, they would be out on their ears.
But this rotten Parliament is anything but normal - or democratic.
Thanks to the Fixed-term Parliaments Act - the brainchild of Oliver Letwin, a man with the common sense expected of someone with a philosophical treaties entitled Ethics, Emotion And The Unity Of The Self to his name - A General Election is out of the question until the Labour frontbench deigns to agree to it. And when will that be?
Well, if Jeremy Corbyn had any decency, it would be right now.
Over and over again, he has said he is simply desperate to go to the people, just as soon as his conditions are met. Well, now they have been.
The Surrender Act has been passed into law and the Prime Minister has been successfully strong-armed into going back to the EU with a begging bowl.
But Corbyn knows his chances of winning an outright majority in an election are vanishingly small, so with no conceivable excuse left, he continues to hold out against one.
Three and a half years ago, Brits voted in their droves to take back control of our democracy.
On Tuesday, MPs showed their complete and utter contempt for that vote.
If they think that voters won’t notice, they are living in cloud cuckoo land.
However much Corbyn dreads it, an election really is round the corner.
AND THIS ROTTEN PARLIAMENT IS LIVING ON BORROWED TIME!
Unquote.
I believe the above is exactly how it is. A reckoning is coming. We may have to wait longer than we wished, but as the saying goes - “Revenge is a dish best served cold”. Our disgraceful majority of Brexit wrecking MPs may well be feeling smug every time they inflict another blow at BJ trying to get Brexit done,(with the connivance of the Speaker) but Leave voters are a patient, respectful lot. No need for organised marches with factory made placards. We will have our say at the ballot box.
24-10-2019, 01:03 PM
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Re: Vile Squatters.
Great post SG !I hear Macron will only grant a short extension to 15th November because of the dilemma the EU are in.
If we remain in the EU beyond October 31st, Tusk, Verhofstadt, Juncker and co (as I see it) will have a legacy of triple failure :
1. Failure to force us to remain
2. Failure to allow us to leave with a deal
3. Failure to complete Brexit in time for the next EU Commission.
It's no wonder the EU are taking their time until Friday to tell the UK exactly what our future is (here we go again) .. but what a quandary they are in
1. A short extension satisfies the Benn Bill and we could tear up the WA with good reason if amendments are made at the 3rd hearing - so no second referendum and we leave more likely with no-deal
2. A long extension means general election and Boris with the Brexit Party would clean up. This means we would leave with no WA as the Brexit Party would not support Boris in the election if he did not agree to it. Epic fail for Tusk, Barnier and co
3. A long extension would also mean the UK would be members of the EU with Farage and Co in Parliament, creating blocking motions with the other eurosceptics, putting the EU in the deadlock that we have here. They can't do anything if Farage blocks their processes and furthermore, we can veto.
So what's to do ?
Some say, a short extension by the EU (or even no extension) would focus parliament to vote on the WA or no deal - the Benn Bill has been satisfied so the real threat of no-deal resurfaces. The problem is that time is running out for royal ascent for the WA (just like the remoaners in parliament tried to prevent with the Letwin stunt earlier, to prevent exactly this) and parliament have ended up shooting themselves in the foot by doing so (thanks Letwin !).
... but, a short extension means that the WA could be voted down at the 3rd hearing next week (Monday or Tuesday) or withdrawn altogether if there are any amendments.
As time goes on, Northern Ireland are making the WA look more toxic by the day and the EU have another dilemma - forcing the UK to sign a treaty that they themselves need but isolates Ireland in a way that is totally against the unity of the UK. I doubt this would get through parliament anyway if they made enough fuss about it.
The EU "could" add conditions such as "an extension until 31st January 2020 for GE or 2nd Referendum" but that would not be lawful either, because it would go against the spirit of A50 in preventing a country from leaving the EU (see Sir Stanley Brodeys article about the wording of A50 and the unlawfulness of the second extension).
So... we will find out on Friday.
decisions ... decisions
24-10-2019, 01:22 PM
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Re: Vile Squatters.
Originally Posted by Bread
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Great post SG !I hear Macron will only grant a short extension to 15th November because of the dilemma the EU are in.
decisions ... decisions
If the HoC passes the bill next week, it would take the goodwill of 27 leaders to have an emergency meeting just to ratify the deal and get rid of the UK. Decisions...decisions!
24-10-2019, 01:54 PM
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Re: Vile Squatters.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Of course. Because 14 november is the regular sitting day of the EU council. They have to ratify the deal too. Only after that will the deal go into effect. It takes two to tango.If the HoC passes the bill next week, it would take the goodwill of 27 leaders to have an emergency meeting just to ratify the deal and get rid of the UK. Decisions...decisions!
Bye !
24-10-2019, 07:43 PM
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Re: Vile Squatters.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Better put that out of your head. Nobody but a fool wants that.
Corbyn!
If he brings it off it will not suit Nigel as it will keep him out of the
loop for longer till an election cant be avoided any longer!
Boris has been quite clever in his strategy to recover tory fortunes!
May could never have done it?
However, do we really want his deal? Myself l dont, but it could
bring all the shyte we have had to endure to an end, and leave him
in charge of the future trade negotiation with EU, which would be
an improvement on May doing them?
So,options! options!
At least things seem to be moving?
Donkeyman!
24-10-2019, 08:17 PM
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Re: Vile Squatters.
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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leave him in charge of the future trade negotiation with EU, which would be an improvement on May doing them?So,options! options!
At least things seem to be moving?
Donkeyman!
24-10-2019, 09:32 PM
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Re: Vile Squatters.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Better put that out of your head. Nobody but a fool wants that.
UK opinion says otherwise.
Dilemma for your mafia mob. Extend or not extend... election or no election... deal or no deal.
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