22-02-2020, 11:07 PM
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Re: Brexit Budget Failure
Originally Posted by Bread
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The commission will take the money off these countries whether they like it or not. If they don't pay they will lose their voting rights ... then they will have no choice.I dunno why they couldn't see this coming a mile off... we did
Individual 'member states' have no real say in how the EU runs itself. The one body which has real power is the Commission and each 'member state' has only one representative on that body.
For that reason, no individual country can sway how the EU is run. Taking the half-dozen states which have said they will not pay any more against the rest of the 27, who are probably under the continued influence of France and Germany, and any refusal to pay will fall on stony ground.
The only solution for those who don't want to pay more is to leave, just as we are doing, and I believe that that is inevitable.
There will still, therefore, exist a shortfall in the EU's funding. I can't imagine that Germany, and certainly France, would agree to pay more, so from whom would they get their money?
Surely, the only answer cannot be to charge the poorer nations, can it? They already receive more than they pay. Perhaps that's what will happen: the poorer states will cease to receive the financial support they presently have.
If nothing else, the situation will become increasingly more interesting.
22-02-2020, 11:26 PM
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Re: Brexit Budget Failure
Originally Posted by JBR
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I agree.Individual 'member states' have no real say in how the EU runs itself. The one body which has real power is the Commission and each 'member state' has only one representative on that body.
For that reason, no individual country can sway how the EU is run. Taking the half-dozen states which have said they will not pay any more against the rest of the 27, who are probably under the continued influence of France and Germany, and any refusal to pay will fall on stony ground.
The only solution for those who don't want to pay more is to leave, just as we are doing, and I believe that that is inevitable.
There will still, therefore, exist a shortfall in the EU's funding. I can't imagine that Germany, and certainly France, would agree to pay more, so from whom would they get their money?
Surely, the only answer cannot be to charge the poorer nations, can it? They already receive more than they pay. Perhaps that's what will happen: the poorer states will cease to receive the financial support they presently have.
If nothing else, the situation will become increasingly more interesting.
If germany starts to collect on its loans it could be very interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't start making land grabs ...
22-02-2020, 11:58 PM
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Re: Brexit Budget Failure
Originally Posted by Bread
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If germany starts to collect on its loans it could be very interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't start making land grabs ...
After all, I get the impression that France sees itself as the future ruler of a European superstate.
Now wouldn't that be funny?
23-02-2020, 12:01 AM
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Re: Brexit Budget Failure
Originally Posted by Bread
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If germany starts to collect on its loans it could be very interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't start making land grabs ...
23-02-2020, 10:43 AM
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Re: Brexit Budget Failure
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Isn't it die Deutsche Bank the UK is heavily indebted to?
Our deficit is down by 75%+ since 2010.
Look at the EU deficits especially in the eurozone. Its bankrupt and bailing itself out every day.
23-02-2020, 10:46 AM
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Re: Brexit Budget Failure
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Like the children now ask, british empire? Was that before or after the roman empire?
They will point to the 27 countries that was the EU and have a right old laugh at it thats for sure. Another lesson for them in failed ideologies and incompetence.
23-02-2020, 12:46 PM
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Re: Brexit Budget Failure
Originally Posted by Bread
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They will point to the 27 countries that was the EU and have a right old laugh at it thats for sure. Another lesson for them in failed ideologies and incompetence.
23-02-2020, 01:06 PM
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Re: Brexit Budget Failure
Originally Posted by Morticia
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Thing is, even before all the drawn out shenanigans of Brexit it was obvious that the EU as a trading block gone rogue was on it's last legs. Doomed to one day implode. Crumble under the dread weight of its own bureaucracy.It always was one of those daft philanthropic Utopias where the 'poor get richer at the expense of the rich who get poorer' ... ( and no one complains)
or .. more realistically,
'the EU is only as strong as it's weakest link'.
In 10 or 20 years folk will say ..the EU? What was that?
That's true Morty, and they are all for welcoming in countries such as Serbia and Montenegro next by 2025, and Albania!!! and North Macedonia after that.
Not exactly Net Payer prospects are they? I bet the 'Frugal Four' will be getting dry mouths at the prospect.
They will certainly have to dig deep into their pockets to bring the poorest country in Europe - Albania - up to modern standards. Good luck with that! I'm just so glad we are out of it.
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