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10-07-2019, 12:23 PM
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Kim Darroch out

But did he jump or was he pushed?

Who cares. But if he was pushed he certainly deserved to have been and as for Hunt supporting him?

If ANYTHING shows why Hunt is not fit to be the UK supporting Darroch proves the matter

Trump's response was remarkably restrained. Darroch should have resigned on the spot and if not he should have been instantly recalled.
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10-07-2019, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
But did he jump or was he pushed?

Who cares. But if he was pushed he certainly deserved to have been and as for Hunt supporting him?

If ANYTHING shows why Hunt is not fit to be the UK supporting Darroch proves the matter

Trump's response was remarkably restrained. Darroch should have resigned on the spot and if not he should have been instantly recalled.
I agree .
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10-07-2019, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
But did he jump or was he pushed?

Who cares. But if he was pushed he certainly deserved to have been and as for Hunt supporting him?

If ANYTHING shows why Hunt is not fit to be the UK supporting Darroch proves the matter

Trump's response was remarkably restrained. Darroch should have resigned on the spot and if not he should have been instantly recalled.
Hi

It is the function of all our Diplomats to report honestly on issues with Foreign Governments.

Their job is not only to represent the UK but also to be our eyes and ears.

This has always been the case and until now it has been done in total confidence.

All Countries defend their ambassadors fiercely, they only way they are withdrawn is in preparation for an Act of War.

No other Country in the World would allow it's Diplomats to be chosen by other Countries.

Boris, our next PM, did not support him.

This is a huge mistake.

It has demeaned us in the eyes of the rest of the World.

It has proved without any doubt that Boris is a sycophant
,who is not fit to be our PM.

Whitehall Sources?

Easily found and dismissed with No Notice and no Pension and prosecuted to boot.

Civil Servants cannot reply, Boris has given Open Season on all our Diplomats to every Dictator in the World.

This will encourage Black Ops against all our Diplomats .

This is not in our interests.

He was fully supported by our Foreign secretary, Jeremy Hunt.

He was not supported by Boris.

There is a huge uproar in Parliament, from MPs of all sides about this.

It is not Kim who should resign, it is Boris.

Boris

This is done in absolute convidence until now.
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Hunt should step down as Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs because of the totally inappropriate manner in which he handled the leak.

International diplomacy has certain conventions. One is to ensure that ambassadors never cause embarrassment to the country that they have been placed.

If an ambassador does cause embarrassment then irrespective of anything and everything they must be recalled, not ever have what they have done attempt to be justified or supported be they right or wrong.

Hunt blew it. What had been a highly offensive communique from a man leaked by the actions of Hunt the contents of the communique then become underwritten by HMG.

That was and is inexcusable, and makes Hunt's suitability to be the PM of the UK totally unacceptable.
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10-07-2019, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
Hunt should step down as Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs because of the totally inappropriate manner in which he handled the leak.

International diplomacy has certain conventions. One is to ensure that ambassadors never cause embarrassment to the country that they have been placed.

If an ambassador does cause embarrassment then irrespective of anything and everything they must be recalled, not ever have what they have done attempt to be justified or supported be they right or wrong.

Hunt blew it. What had been a highly offensive communique from a man leaked by the actions of Hunt the contents of the communique then become underwritten by HMG.

That was and is inexcusable, and makes Hunt's suitability to be the PM of the UK totally unacceptable.
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Really?

You would defy all International Conventions about who can dictate who an Ambassador can be?

Perhaps we should publish all Israeli Ambassador communications they share with us?

That would be a riot.

Even more of a Riot would be those they do not share with us but which we know about.

Israel is not part of 5 Eyes, we are.

The USA does the intercepts at Menwith Hill.

We do the clever stuff at GCHQ.

Beware of what you wish for.
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10-07-2019, 02:06 PM
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'Leaking' is becoming the norm, whatever happened to 'need to know basis' and integrity being a foremost prerequisite among civil servants and politicians

There is some underhand dirty work going on here, our Ambassador should be able to give a private appraisal on any situation to the government without some little toe rag leaking it
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

Really?

You would defy all International Conventions about who can dictate who an Ambassador can be?

Perhaps we should publish all Israeli Ambassador communications they share with us?

That would be a riot.

Even more of a Riot would be those they do not share with us but which we know about.

Israel is not part of 5 Eyes, we are.

The USA does the intercepts at Menwith Hill.

We do the clever stuff at GCHQ.

Beware of what you wish for.
Why bring Israel into it?

As for dictating who should be ambassador, the process is very formal and there are strict conventions to be employed on both sides.

Likewise a country can demand on a number of sanctions to be imposed when an ambassador breaks protocol or causes or is seen to have caused embarrassment.

Hunt made a bad situation terrible.
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10-07-2019, 03:03 PM
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'Leaking' is becoming the norm, whatever happened to 'need to know basis' and integrity being a foremost prerequisite among civil servants and politicians

There is some underhand dirty work going on here, our Ambassador should be able to give a private appraisal on any situation to the government without some little toe rag leaking it
Since the ambassador represents your head of state the queen (and not her government), trump has insulted her majesty in dressing down her ambassador. An insult her subjects accept or seem ignorant of.
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Since the ambassador represents your head of state the queen (and not her government), trump has insulted her majesty in dressing down her ambassador. An insult her subjects accept or seem ignorant of.
The erstwhile ambassador has embarrassed HMG by his comments.

It may be that a leak originated in the UK or it may not. It could be that secure communications channels are not as secure as they were thought to be, it may be that the security of the communication channels has been compromised in the USA and the leak intended to embarrass the POTUS. That would be exactly the sort of thing the anti-Trump lot would do, after all they have track record.

But the bottom line remains.

Darroch wrote what he did. It was leaked. Hunt failed to deal with the matter in an appropriate way. Darroch has gone. Hunt should follow him for his beyond clumsy handling of the situation.
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10-07-2019, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
The erstwhile ambassador has embarrassed HMG by his comments.

It may be that a leak originated in the UK or it may not. It could be that secure communications channels are not as secure as they were thought to be, it may be that the security of the communication channels has been compromised in the USA and the leak intended to embarrass the POTUS. That would be exactly the sort of thing the anti-Trump lot would do, after all they have track record.

But the bottom line remains.

Darroch wrote what he did. It was leaked. Hunt failed to deal with the matter in an appropriate way. Darroch has gone. Hunt should follow him for his beyond clumsy handling of the situation.
Had trump known how to behave as a statesman, he would have handed darroch his passports. In other words, sent him home, and not been drawn into the open and publicly show his own ineptness (again).
 
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