Re: Greta Thunberg - Time Person of the Year

So what in your opinion caused the great ice age to disappear. What caused the once fertile tropic like forests to disappear and turn into what is now known as the Sahara desert.
Scientists have said a slight tilt in the earth's axis over a hundred thousand years ago caused a massive change in the climate.
Has the earth's axis tilted again slightly? Should we call in Paddy and his scaffold gang to tilt it back again?

Re: Greta Thunberg - Time Person of the Year

There's a number of suggestions regarding periodic ice ages and their causes based around the ice ages were the exceptions to the norm and the same for the carbon capture but always involving natural climate oscillations in which organic growth followed by organic die back have resulted in a temperature swing over time resulted in surges of release of oxygen and correspondence surges in release of greenhouse gasses ---

BUT the actions of man, especially over the last hundred years has not only released huge amounts of damaging gasses, some exotic such as Freon, but also severely damaged the natural correction processes by poisoning the biosphere that now can't cope with the changes we are responsible for.

This is not some wild theory, it's based on very good observable events and just because people may not be able to even start to see the big picture does not mean they should just rubbish what is now being made known.

Re: Greta Thunberg - Time Person of the Year

Two excellent posts Ben....
The eco warriors fail to realise the size of the planet compared to man's involvement on it. Sure there are many things we should be correcting such as the amount of waste we produce, especially plastic, the vast amount of the world's resources we are using at an ever increasing rate. If just oil ran out we would be in a serious situation, much of the mechanics of this world rely on oil.

There a few places where pollution is causing a serious threat to health, but they are local problems and just like London smog in the fifties, can soon be remedied by an adjustment to lifestyles. None of these things have any effect on climate.
Just one volcano can eject more pollution and CO2 in the atmosphere that man puts out in a year. At the time of writing there are over two hundred active volcanoes.

Donald Trump has access to some of the greatest scientists and research facilities in the world and between them they have seen through this massive con trick being thrust upon us by the media.

Re: Greta Thunberg - Time Person of the Year

Isn't it strange that the hole in the ozone layer, supposedly resulting from freon, occurred in the Southern hemisphere when the majority of the human population resides in the northern hemisphere?

Isn't it strange that CO2 blamed for being a greenhouse gas is actually heavier than air?

Isn't it strange that mankind occupy less than 2% of the earths surface and yet we can affect the climate?

The sun is, and always has been, responsible for determining the Earth's climate, if anyone tells you anything different it's because their job or research grant depend on it and the media (especially the BBC) are frightening people to death. Literally.

Re: Greta Thunberg - Time Person of the Year

Yes, all these things are strange to the lay man but science can explain all of them.

The science on man made climate change is already decided, all that is required is to decide whether we go the route of peer reviewed science or that of the aromatherapists, homoeopaths and Rupert Murdoch.

Re: Greta Thunberg - Time Person of the Year

Thinks....now who am I going to believe?
Someone like David Attenborough who has dedicated his life to observing the natural world or someone like Trump who has dedicated his life to trying to make money.....???

Re: Greta Thunberg - Time Person of the Year

Good point Psmith, and, logic should state, surely, there is not enough Fossil Fuel left to cause further significant damage, in the long term, enough damage may have already been done, but that is a different matter.

Re: Greta Thunberg - Time Person of the Year

Trump has access to some of the most advanced climate science in the world whereas David just works for the BBC and would be out on his ass if he didn't toe the line just like David Bellamy, Johnny Ball and other well informed scientists were.

And the same could be said about Greta, where did she obtain her qualifications on climate? Probably off David and the BBC.

And let's not confuse climate change with man's destruction of the natural world, David Attenborough is absolutely right about the ever diminishing flora and fauna, but what has that got to do with climate change which is controlled over millions of years and forces beyond man's control.

Re: Greta Thunberg - Time Person of the Year

I think you'll find Rupert Murdoch is on your side Bruce, judging by the garbage that is printed in his rags...I don't see where Aromatherapists and Homeopaths figure in Climate change Bruce...

There is plenty of peer reviewed science by eminent scientists out there that disproves the findings and opinions of the media, it's just that the people with control of the media have the loudest voice, but it doesn't mean they are right.

What ever happened to the objective mind where all theories should be questioned, and not be biased? What if Bruce?

Re: Greta Thunberg - Time Person of the Year

You obviously don't know much about Murdoch's press because he is the climate change denier's cheerleader and the metaphor about the anti-science aromatherapists etc was the whoosh you heard going over your head.

But I agree with you, the science certainly disproves the nonsense that Murdoch and his climate change denying media spouts. As I said the science is already known what is needed now is to act upon it, in fact exactly what Greta Thunberg demands of the world's leaders.