Can the self servers stop a no deal brexit ?

No-deal Brexit: Can Parliament stop it? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46799778


I’m certain a 5 year old would know everything TM has done ‘deal wise’ should have been done over two years ago , leaving two years to prepare for a no deal brexit but the chief remainer has simply wasted time , wasted the two years preparation should have been made to leave ...
But we are now were we’re at and she has given remainers the ammunition to go against the will of the people and effectively not allow us to leave without a deal ...... or has she?


There's a big problem facing members of Parliament who want to avoid a no-deal Brexit. They can't just show there is a majority in the House of Commons against no deal - they need to prove there is a majority in favour of an alternative outcome.
That's because leaving the EU - with or without a deal - is currently the default.
If the agreement the prime minister has negotiated with the EU fails to pass the House of Commons, the UK will leave with no deal at all unless something changes, because leaving the EU is written into UK law.
The EU Withdrawal Act sets 29 March as the date of departure.
The wording of the act does allow a minister to change the definition of "exit day" relatively quickly using a statutory instrument - a piece of secondary legislation - rather than an entirely new act of Parliament that would need to be debated. A minister would have to propose the change and MPs would have to approve it.
Article 50
But there is a second and more significant reason why no deal would become the default position: that's what EU law says.
Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty is the formal route for any country leaving the EU and it allows for a two-year process of negotiation. At the end of that period "the treaties shall cease to apply to the state in question" unless Article 50 is extended or revoked.
The most obvious way therefore to stop a no-deal Brexit, or any form of Brexit, is to revoke Article 50.
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The European Court of Justice has now ruled the UK can do that on its own, without asking the other 27 countries, and stay a member of the EU on its current terms - including opting-out of key policies, and keeping the budget rebate.
But it seems highly unlikely that the House of Commons would vote to revoke Article 50 unless there had been another referendum, or maybe an election, in which the public backed the UK remaining in the EU.
The government rejects the idea of holding another referendum anyway - and the time to do so before the end of March has run out.
Extending Article 50
So, the other way to avoid a no-deal Brexit in the short term is to play for time and extend the Article 50 period. The government would need to propose that and MPs would have to approve it.
But, crucially, unlike in the case of revoking Article 50, to extend it the UK would also need the agreement of all 27 other EU countries.
It would probably need to persuade them that something important had changed in UK politics to warrant an extension - perhaps a looming election, or another referendum, rather than more of the same argument.
One of the constraints for the rest of the EU is that European elections will take place at the end of May and the new European Parliament (without UK MEPs if Brexit has taken place) is due to meet for the first time in July.
The only other circumstance in which a brief extension to Article 50 would probably be approved by the EU is if there had been a vote in favour of Theresa May's deal but a little more time was needed to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s.
But if Article 50 was extended without a deal passing the House of Commons, no deal would still remain the default outcome at the end of the extended negotiating period.
So what else can MPs do for now?
In a word, amendments.
An amendment to the Finance Bill, limiting the Treasury's ability to make no-deal preparations unless authorised by Parliament, was backed by MPs by 303 to 296 votes on Tuesday night.
This amendment, likely to be the first of many, will make it "harder for the government to drift into no deal without Parliament being able to direct it", according to Labour MP Yvette Cooper.
It was followed on Wednesday by another amendment, on which rebel Tory MPs joined forces with Labour to defeat the government. It means the government would have to return to Parliament with new plans within three days of a vote against the Prime Minister's withdrawal deal.
So a cross-party coalition of MPs against no deal is now flexing its muscles, and what we're likely to see over the next couple of months is what some are calling "guerrilla warfare by amendment" in the House of Commons.

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There was too much Jaw-Jaw in the negotiating process.
Eating, not talking.

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Parliament will never sanction a no deal outcome for Brexit. The only one on offer in future will be much softer than the one on offer last night. Most of the other main contenders want to remain in the customs union and single market with all the conditions that it entails, so no Brexit at all then...

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And UKIP is now a racist party so ?????

Nigel farage and new backers and a new party ?

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OMG Brexit has now invaded general chat. It's like a virus...

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Yep, Mods please move thread to where it belongs

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It's still quite fascinating listening to people pontificating and prevaricating about BrExit issues and the continuing pantomine. Many still just don't seem to see what is actually happening.

The EU is NOT going to let us leave.

They put 40 years of effort in to get the UK in the EU and they are not about to lose all that effort over one little referendum.

So the EU, along with its stooges in our government, is having to find a suitable way of basically saying to teh UK:

"Sorry but you're not leaving"

without people then realising that this means there is no democracy.

Everything we are seeing is damage limitation. Long delays to diffuse the huge initial angst and public frustration, a war of attrition to wear people down so they get fed up of BrExit issues and no longer care what happens, fake deals to make it look like they are doing something, like they are trying when in fact they have no intention of delivering any BrExit, and a completely incompetant and toothless opposition so that nobody else can deliver any BrExit.

Democracy is over. It's not been there for some years actually, but BrExit is the catalyst that is showing people the illusion for what it is.

We live in a dictatorship, ruled by an unseen, unelected group of people who use a fake 2 party political system to present the illusion of choice and to keep themselves in power.

Remainers need not worry one iota.

The EU and its stooge politicians in this country are NEVER going to deliver any BrExit that actually sees us really leave the EU.

You don't have any real choices. If you vote for Tory or Labour you vote for the same unseen collective running the show.

Do you see it yet?

If so, are you brave enough to not vote for either party at the next election? Or are you still too far programmed into thinking that we must vote for one or other of them?

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Sometimes people are promoted above their pay grades and either TM has had that happen in which case we are pretty much doomed or she is being controlled by EU and that again means we are pretty much doomed to stay in.

There must be an answer but it eludes me at the moment. Because time is too short to do anything I believe, I hope I really hope the country remembers this betrayal by the tories.

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Betrayal of all parties Julie, Labours policy is not to co-operate with any sort of brexit proposal at all, in spite of most of their constituencies voting leave. They actually policy is to stay in the customs union and single market, which equates to no brexit at all.... or have I missed something?

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This vote of no confidence corbin is calling for should be extended to a national vote of no confidence in ANY POLITICIAN ... no confidence in parliament ... no confidence in brexit ... no confidence in anything anymore ...
How about a referendum on ( since you must ask two questions in referendum ) .... should all politicians be hung by their toes for 2.5 years or should all politicians simply be banished to Europe and never allowed to return ?