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16-11-2019, 01:49 AM
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Marijuana & Euthanasia

Legalising Marijuana & Euthanasia. These are the two referendums that we the public are being asked to vote on, coming the election next year.

Marijuana law is a no brainer as far as I'm concerned.
Legalising Euthanasia, in certain circumstances,I'm in two minds about. What is your opinion.?

The arguments for euthanasia:

1. We need it - 'the compassion argument'. Supporters of euthanasia believe that allowing people to ‘die with dignity’ is kinder than forcing them to continue their lives with suffering.

2. We want it - 'the autonomy argument'. Some believe that every patient has a right to choose when to die.

3. We can control it - 'the public policy argument'. Proponents believe that euthanasia can be safely regulated by government legislation.


The arguments against euthanasia:

1. Alternative treatments are available, such as palliative care and hospices. We do not have to kill the patient to kill the symptoms. Nearly all pain can be relieved.

2.There is no ‘right’ to be killed and there are real dangers of ‘slippery slopes’. Opening the doors to voluntary euthanasia could lead to non-voluntary and involuntary euthanasia, by giving doctors the power to decide when a patient’s life is not worth living. In the Netherlands in 1990 around 1,000 patients were killed without their request.

3. We could never truly control it. Reports from the Netherlands, where euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide are legal, reveal that doctors do not always report it.

4. The assumption that patients should have a right to die would impose on doctors a duty to kill, thus restricting the autonomy of the doctor. Also, a ‘right to die’ for some people might well become a ‘duty to die’ by others, particularly those who are vulnerable or dependent upon others.
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16-11-2019, 02:03 AM
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Provided that all safeguards are in place and strictly adhered to, I think euthanasia or assisted suicide should be given as an option to those whose life is near an end or are in terrible pain. I also think that a person should state, while they are still compos mentis that, they should be euthanised if they develop Alzheimer's.
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16-11-2019, 02:06 AM
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Marijuana is easy - the money and time wasted because it is illegal makes absolutely no sense.

A friend of mine in her 80s has just started on the complex road to getting legal marijuana for medical purposes.

Euthanasia has a mixed history in Australia. Dying is a state issue. The Northern Territory legislated a bill legalising it in the 1990s but the Howard Government (Federal) over rode the legislation preventing any Territory having a Euthanasia bill.

Last Cab to Darwin is a wonderful film about it.

NSW tried but the bill failed 19 votes to 20.

The only state that has a Euthanasia Bill is Victoria which passed legislation a couple of years ago.

Eventually it will be passed in most if not all states but at the moment it is being stymied by the right and the Christian lobby (speaking very generally as it has been a conscience vote in most states).

BTW according the this morning's news one of the recent bushfires was started by a farmer back burning to protect his illegal marijuana crop. He has been charged with intentionally causing a fire and recklessness to allow its spread.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/...16-p53b69.html
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Originally Posted by Judd ->
Provided that all safeguards are in place and strictly adhered to, I think euthanasia or assisted suicide should be given as an option to those whose life is near an end or are in terrible pain. I also think that a person should state, while they are still compos mentis that, they should be euthanised if they develop Alzheimer's.
Not sure about there but they can make pre- incapacity arrangements here. If dementia (Alzheimers is only one kind of dementia) is diagnosed early enough, a person can do what is called an advanced care directive. This is done with the input of their GP, treating specialists - usually a geriatrician and/or a neurologist and their lawyer. These ACDs usually outline how far they want treatment to go when they lose the ability to make their own decisions, whether they want curative treatments to continue until they die or just palliative care. They usually can also state that they don't want to be resuscitated. But active assisted dying can only be carried out if a person can consent and requests it and - Bruce is correct - only in the state of Victoria. Personally I am in favour of it if all legal and medical laws are complied with and it is obviously what the person wants.

Marijuana?..Big question. I'm not sure of anything else apart from that police, courts and prisons should have nothing whatsoever to do with it, it's use or treatment for it's abuse on it's own. It should be treated exactly the same as alcohol. Available to adults over the age of say?..21. Like alcohol it should only be policed with respect to driving, operating machinery etc because it is an intoxicant. It's manufacture and sale should be controlled and taxed. This is not to say it's use should be encouraged. Just not illegal.
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Euthanasia? For me only If I can choose death by "Snu Snu"! (Refer to Urban Dictionary)

Weed? Nah. Not my thing.
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My opinion is that, if they deal with the result of these 2 referendums they way they dealt with that last one, there will be no action, if the MP's have different opinions.

If it takes more than 3 years to leave the EU, how long will it take before they can make a decision on voluntary euthanasia & pain relief via an illegal drug?
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
Euthanasia? For me only If I can choose death by "Snu Snu"! (Refer to Urban Dictionary)

Weed? Nah. Not my thing.
Futurama fan eh?
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16-11-2019, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Twink55 ->
My opinion is that, if they deal with the result of these 2 referendums they way they dealt with that last one, there will be no action, if the MP's have different opinions.

If it takes more than 3 years to leave the EU, how long will it take before they can make a decision on voluntary euthanasia & pain relief via an illegal drug?
The referendums in question are in New Zealand Twink. Don't think we are as forward-looking over here.
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Futurama fan eh?
Too right!

I've got a thing for "Mom" (as in Mom's Robot Oil!)
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16-11-2019, 05:20 PM
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The (oft forgotten) issue about euthanasia and assisted suicides is that life insurance claims are automatically redacted by insurance companies, as written within the policies. Although money isn't really a huge part of one's decision making process, it can at least help pay for funeral costs as well as subsequent legal fees. Bear in mind that the law would also have to be changed to take into account that, currently, any potential beneficiary is not permitted to benefit from the proceeds of what is an illegal act.
 

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