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Were We Ever A Member Of The EU ?? Part One.

HEATH BETRAYAL

Morning, I know this is water under the bridge, but I still found it a fascinating read… There doesn’t seem to be much happening with the trade talks at present so thought would share this with you. Get yourself a cuppa and read how we were betrayed by our own Prime Minister(s), and never once has any British Government chosen the possibility of using same as a means of telling the EU to go forth and multiply.
Please be advised, this article was written way back in 2011, a few years before our fateful, wonderful decision to leave the EU. But as far as I can see, is just as relevant today in case future treacherous Prime Ministers try the same trick on us.
How we were betrayed by Heath should make my blood boil, and undoubtedly would have done if it were not for the fact that we have now left the EU.

But were we ever in the EU to begin with?

It’s so galling to think that when we first joined the Common Market in the 70’s, it was only through an act of Treason, according to Vernon Coleman’s book ‘OFPIS’ 2011.

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Seems as though from the evidence, many constitutional experts believe that Britain was never actually a member of the EU, since our apparent entry was a violation of British law and was, therefore invalid.

In enacting the European Communities Bill through an ordinary vote in the HOC, Ted Heath’s Government breached the constitutional convention which requires a prior consultation of the people (either through a Referendum or a General Election) on any measure involving constitutional change. A GE or Referendum MUST take place before any related parliamentary debate.

Just weeks before the 1970 GE which made him Prime Minister, Edward Heath even declared that it would be wrong for any government contemplating membership of the European Community to take this step without ‘’the full hearted consent of Parliament and people”.

However, when it came to it, Heath didn’t have a referendum because opinion polls at the time (1972) showed that the British people were hugely opposed (by a margin of 2 to 1) against joining the Common Market. Instead, Heath merely signed the documents that took us into what became the EU on the basis that Parliament alone had passed the European Communities Bill of 1972.

Some MPs have subsequently claimed the “Parliament can do whatever it likes”.
But as Coleman states, that simply isn’t true. Parliament consists of a number of MPs who have been elected by their constituents to represent them. Political parties are not recognised in our system of government and Parliament does NOT have the right to change the whole nature of Britain’s constitution. We have (or are supposed to have) an elective democracy, not an elective dictatorship!. Parliament may in law and in day to day issues, be the sovereign power in the state, but the electors are (in the words of Dicey’s “Introduction for the Study of the Law of the Constitution” published in 1885) “the body in which sovereign power is vested”. Dicey goes on to point out that “in a political sense, the electors are the most important part of, we may even say are actually, “the sovereign power, since their will is under the present constitution sure to obtain ultimate obedience”. Bagehot, author of the English Constitution, 1867, describes the nation, through Parliament, as “THE PRESENT SOVEREIGN”.

In 1972, when Heath decided to take Britain into the Common Market, he used Parliament’s legal sovereignty to deny and permanently limit the political sovereignty of the electorate.
Heath and Parliament changed the basic rules and they did not have the right (legal or moral) to do that. The 1972 European Communities Bill wasn’t just another Act of Parliament. Heath’s Bill used Parliament’s legal sovereignty, and status as representative of the electorate, to deny the fundamental rights of the electorate.

Precedents show the the British constitution (which may not be written and formalised in the same way as the American constitution is presented) but which is, nevertheless, enshrined and codified in the Magna Carta (1215), the Petition of Right (1628) The Bill of Rights (1689) and the Act of Settlement (1701) requires Parliament to consult the electorate directly where constitutional change which would affect their political sovereignty is in prospect.
(The 1689 Bill of Rights contains the following oath: “I do declare that no foreign prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence or authority within this Realm”.
Since this Bill has not been repealed it is clear that every treaty Britain has signed with the EU has been illegal.)

So, for example, Parliament was dissolved in 1831/32 to obtain the electorate’s authority for the Reform Bill and again in 1910 following the Lord’s rejection of the LIberal Finance Bill.

In 1975, when the Government changed, Harold Wilson sought to put right the clear constitutional error by organising a retrospective referendum (something quite unprecedented in British history), designed to obtain the permission of the British people for Britain to join something it had already “joined”.

Wilson’s referendum was inspired solely by the realisation that the consent of the electorate ought first to have been obtained before we joined the EEC. The lack of legitimacy of the European Communities Act brought about by the decision by the incoming Prime Minister and Labour leadership that a referendum should be held in preference to yet another general election.

But, almost inevitably, the question asked in the referendum was also illegal since voters were asked “Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?

The problem here was that since Heath had ignored the constitution duties and requirements of Parliament and had signed the entrance documents illegally, the words ‘’stay in’’ were deceptive. We couldn’t stay in the EEC because, constitutionally, we had never entered. We couldn’t enter the Common Market because Parliament did not have the right to sign away our sovereignty.

The referendum that Wilson organised to remedy Heath’s constitutional breach misled the electorate on a simple constitutional issue and was, therefore, itself illegal. (Wilson’s referendum was passed after a good deal of very one-sided propaganda was used to influence public opinion. If the nation had voted against our ‘’continued’’ membership of the EEC, the political embarrassment for all politicians would have been unbearable.)

Attempts through the courts to annul our membership of the European Union on the basis that Parliament acted improperly have failed because Parliament, through its legal sovereignty, is the source of the law in Britain and the courts are, therefore, unable to challenge any Parliamentary Act.
Only Parliament can reclaim the legislative powers that Heath and subsequent Prime Ministers have handed to the European Union.

And so, only when Parliament is filled with honest politicians who are not controlled by the private party system, will the mistake be rectified and our membership annulled.

Britain’s entry into the Common Market (later to be transformed into the EU) was also illegal for another reason. The Prime Minister who signed the entry documents, Edward Heath, later confirmed that he had lied to the British people about the implications of the Treaty.

Heath told the electorate that signing the Treaty of Rome would lead to no essential loss of National Sovereignty but later admitted that this was a lie. Astonishingly, Heath said he lied because he knew that the British would not approve of him signing the Treaty if they knew the truth. Heath told voters that the EEC was merely a free trade association, But he was lying through his teeth. He know that the original members of the EEC had a long-standing commitment to political union and the step by step creation of a European superstate.

Edward Heath received a substantial financial bribe for taking Britain into the EU when he was Prime Minister. (Heath was no stranger to bribery. One of his aides bribed a senior Labour Party official £25,000 for details of Harold Wilson’s election tactics.) The reward of £35,000, paid personally to Heath and at the time a substantial sum of money, was handed over to him (in the guise of The Charlemagne Prize) for signing the Treaty of Rome.

Because of Heath’s dishonesty we never actually joined the Common Market. And so all the subsequent treaties that were signed were illegal.

Britain’s Treason Act (1351) is (at the time of writing) still in place. It states that treason is committed when a man be adherent to the King’s enemies in his realm, giving them aid and comfort in the realm.

And under the Treason Felony Act (1848) it is treason if ‘any person whatsoever shall, within the United Kingdom or without, devise or intend to deprive our most gracious Lady, the Queen, (Elizabeth) from the style, honour or Royal Name of the Imperial crown of the United Kingdom.

Our membership of the EU will mean the end of the United Kingdom. So, since our membership of the EU will doubtless ‘’deprive our most gracious Lady the Queen from the style, honour or Royal Name of the Imperial crown of the United Kingdom’ Britain’s entry into the Common Market, under Edward Heath’s signature, was null and void.

Heath committed an act of treason. He betrayed the Queen and he deliberately misled the British people.
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
HEATH BETRAYAL

He deliberately misled the British people.
He must be of the same party then as the present government?
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I see Solasch has had to put in his €0.02 worth but, since I'm ignoring him, I haven't a clue what he's cut and pasted from Google this time

Good, no, GREAT find Shropshire Girl.
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No surprises. My parents are both deceased, thank goodness, they have been proved correct.

The younger voters are being hoodwinked exactly the same as we were. Some are happy for Britain to be a vassal state.
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Thanks Percy, Cinderella, you are probably right. They will just class it as Fake News. The usual when it doesn't suit their agenda.
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Thanks Percy, Cinderella, you are probably right. They will just class it as Fake News. The usual when it doesn't suit their agenda.
If you are right, the UK was a member illegally. Just hope the EU doesn't claim you hand over all the profits you made from that membership!
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OMG Solasch, will you stop! I almost choked on my cup of tea then reading that post from you. I wonder if we do a tally, we can find out exactly what the UK put in (rebate included) in over 40 years, and just what we got back.
Don't forget to include that which just comes to mind - all that Wine and spirits tucked away in those temperature controlled EU vaults, the many Artworks, the many buildings built for the comfort of the senate. Plus of course, the cool 1.2billion UK cost of the Gallileo project.

It would be fascinating to know the 'true' cost, not the made up one.
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
OMG Solasch, will you stop! I almost choked on my cup of tea then reading that post from you. I wonder if we do a tally, we can find out exactly what the UK put in (rebate included) in over 40 years, and just what we got back.
Don't forget to include that which just comes to mind - all that Wine and spirits tucked away in those temperature controlled EU vaults, the many Artworks, the many buildings built for the comfort of the senate. Plus of course, the cool 1.2billion UK cost of the Gallileo project.

It would be fascinating to know the 'true' cost, not the made up one.
In the last 10 years the EU made about € 0.5 Trillion net and that's just in trade.

It's about time the EU paid to have access to our single market, after all it's in their interest to trade with us not the other way around.
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In the last 10 years the EU made about € 0.5 Trillion net and that's just in trade.

It's about time the EU paid to have access to our single market, after all it's in their interest to trade with us not the other way around.


That is the simple people's version of the classic: they need us more than we need them. Golden!
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You perhaps jest in haste Solasch. It could indeed in many cases, be that of the EU needing us more than we need them. In each of your posts, it is always about how much the UK is going to suffer. Not once have you had the courage or even good sense to admit just how much hurt the EU member states are going to suffer, especially if no deal at the end of the transition period.

How thankful will each and every member state still be to Barnaby and Co, always willing to do your bidding every step of the way, always determined to show a united front against the UK. How grateful will you still feel that you held out to the end, ending in both walking away and a no deal. Will you still be happy and utterly united 27 when you have to watch the utter devastation that will befall many of their economies to many of your member states. (and that iincludes the Netherlands whose fishing industry will be all but finished.

Just a thought.
 
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