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Re: Priti Patel - All Mouth And No Trousers!

Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
What is especially galling is that we are able to find out how many channel hoppers are coming into the UK, but try finding out the figures for how many have been returned!!
All you will be told is...''the Government is returning those not entitled to be in this Country"

It would also help if the Lefty-run Refugee Charities would keep their snouts out of the mix too by not making political statements and concentrate more on the job they are meant to be doing with donations paid by British taxpayers.
To them, every single one of them is a refugee and entitled to claim asylum. Not at all helpful when it is well known that a high percentage of those young men are simply seeking a new life. Forget of course that each one of those channel hoppers that convinces that they are a refugee, costs the British taxpayer between £4,255 and £7,820 per year through the use of our public services such as housing, health, education and welfare payments.

All the time, our Border force seems to be in a permanent state of paralysis!0

As I say, Priti better get off her tushtie.and sort this out. The time for fine words (or as Shropshire folk say...BS.... is fast approaching. She will need to prove herself capable of doing the job before she is pushed out.
In May the Home Affairs Committee*released figures collated by the Home Office*on the number of boats containing migrants crossing the Channel. The figures show 562 migrants were recorded as attempting to cross in 2018. Of these, 297 arrived in the UK.

*UK Arrivals without interceptionIntercepted and brought to UKIntercepted and returned to FranceAborted departure from FranceTotal 2018106191144121

The numbers have reportedly increased significantly in 2019. Unofficial figures collated by*Sky News*state*1,456 migrants*had successfully crossed the Channel by small boat up until 11 October this year. This is almost five times the 2018 figure.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...glish-channel/
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The French government are playing the UK for fools and they are doing a damn good job of it, why? because the French know that maritime law trumps that of any countries law and so what the French do is make sure the illegal migrants boats leave french waters and enter the small stretch of international water that is between the two countries. Once the illegal migrants boats have entered international waters, the french just watch the boats sail/float closer and closer to UK waters where by maritime law, the UK are duty bound to rescue a boat that is or could be in distress.

So then comes along UK border patrol ships to pick up the illegal migrants and the french just laugh in our faces. The UK government will not stand up to France because they are worried that France will close or block crucial shipping routes and the euro tunnel off to commercial transport.

The most appalling aspect of all of this is that you have UK charities in France giving advice on how they can enter the UK and that advice is in breach of charities code of practice because they are advising migrants on how to break the law and get into the UK BUT no main stream media will investigate and get evidence that these UK charities over in France are offering advice on how to break EU, French and UK law to get into the UK because having such evidence could mean the charity being struck off by the charity commission and thus lose their charity status which would mean they would not be able to operate in France anymore but to go after a charity is not good business practice and thus the media wont touch the issue.
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07-08-2020, 06:31 PM
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Hi

Why should we expect the French to keep them if we cannot be bothered to return them?

Our Politicians are useless.
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Indeed, but the dublin agreement applies to EU members only.
The*Dublin Regulation*establishes the Member State responsible for the examination of the asylum application. The criteria for establishing responsibility run, in hierarchical order, from family considerations, to recent possession of visa or residence permit in a Member State, to whether the applicant has entered EU irregularly, or regularly. https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/wh...-applicants_en

That applies only in those cases where a migrant seeks refuge in an EU member state. Based on the 1951 geneva convention they can, but need not do that. They can travel on to the good old britain and apply there.

During the transition period the UK is treated as a member, which entitles them to send back refugee seekers to the country of entry. After 31 december 2020 that ends. So if a refugee enters greece, spain, italy etc and expresses the wish to travel to britain, we put them on a plane to heathrow and wish them luck.

Thanks for your explanation. Could you please also tell me, if you happen to know, what is the procedure when the police of any EU state, stop illegal immigrants hellbent on reaching the country of their choice (for whatever their reason) and the police find that they chose not to register as they were meant to at the first safe EU state they arrived in? Are they arrested? are checks made to ensure they are who they say they are? Are the many who have deliberately tossed away their passports - especially thoroughly checked out to see if they are telling the truth as to who they are and where they are saying they have come from? or is it, as one hears, they are simply let out to continue onto the next member state and their eventual destination in the hope they can avoid capture again, for whatever reason.
One would imagine if their chosen destination is the UK, not many checks would be bothered with?
If so, that is a very disturbing thought, but I genuinely wish to know the answer to the above (without point scoring).

One last question, if the EU authorities are doing their job correctly when these illegals are caught, should they then ever be in a position where they have reached the sandy shores of Calais considering free movement is for EU member state citizens only.?
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07-08-2020, 07:17 PM
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Re: Priti Patel - All Mouth And No Trousers!

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Hi

Why should we expect the French to keep them if we cannot be bothered to return them?

Our Politicians are useless.


If illegal immigrants pay about £3-4K to get here and they get sent back to France, the first thing is, they stop coming here because they will waste their money with the people smuggling gangs, the second thing is that they will stop going to France as well as there is no point - they only go there to get to the UK anyway.

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Just on the news - Nigel reports that illegal immigrants being given a guided tour around Anfield Stadium. You couldn't make it up!
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07-08-2020, 08:26 PM
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Just on the news - Nigel reports that illegal immigrants being given a guided tour around Anfield Stadium. You couldn't make it up!
It wasn't long after the video was posted on Twitter before*Liverpool fans*responded and told Mr Farage what they thought of him, his comments and what they said were his attempts to use their club and city to advance his own agenda.

Many pointed out that*LFC and Amnesty International*have a partnership to provide opportunities for refugees and asylum seekers to make them feel more welcome.
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07-08-2020, 08:30 PM
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Re: Priti Patel - All Mouth And No Trousers!

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Thanks for your explanation. Could you please also tell me, if you happen to know, what is the procedure when the police of any EU state, stop illegal immigrants hellbent on reaching the country of their choice (for whatever their reason) and the police find that they chose not to register as they were meant to at the first safe EU state they arrived in? Are they arrested? are checks made to ensure they are who they say they are? Are the many who have deliberately tossed away their passports - especially thoroughly checked out to see if they are telling the truth as to who they are and where they are saying they have come from? or is it, as one hears, they are simply let out to continue onto the next member state and their eventual destination in the hope they can avoid capture again, for whatever reason.
One would imagine if their chosen destination is the UK, not many checks would be bothered with?
If so, that is a very disturbing thought, but I genuinely wish to know the answer to the above (without point scoring).

One last question, if the EU authorities are doing their job correctly when these illegals are caught, should they then ever be in a position where they have reached the sandy shores of Calais considering free movement is for EU member state citizens only.?
When stopped the refugees are asked:
- are you here to ask asylum?
No
- what then?
We are on our way to england to ask asylum there
- okay, then we have to let you go, if you have a way of transport. Can you pay for train, bus?
A nice young man of Amnesty drives us to the calais harbour
- alright, bon voyage!

As for your last question. Who is to stop them? Most borders, if in existence at all, are not posted. The final frontier of europe is the channel.
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07-08-2020, 08:43 PM
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Re: Priti Patel - All Mouth And No Trousers!

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The French government are playing the UK for fools and they are doing a damn good job of it, why? because the French know that maritime law trumps that of any countries law and so what the French do is make sure the illegal migrants boats leave french waters and enter the small stretch of international water that is between the two countries. Once the illegal migrants boats have entered international waters, the french just watch the boats sail/float closer and closer to UK waters where by maritime law, the UK are duty bound to rescue a boat that is or could be in distress.

So then comes along UK border patrol ships to pick up the illegal migrants and the french just laugh in our faces. The UK government will not stand up to France because they are worried that France will close or block crucial shipping routes and the euro tunnel off to commercial transport.

The most appalling aspect of all of this is that you have UK charities in France giving advice on how they can enter the UK and that advice is in breach of charities code of practice because they are advising migrants on how to break the law and get into the UK BUT no main stream media will investigate and get evidence that these UK charities over in France are offering advice on how to break EU, French and UK law to get into the UK because having such evidence could mean the charity being struck off by the charity commission and thus lose their charity status which would mean they would not be able to operate in France anymore but to go after a charity is not good business practice and thus the media wont touch the issue.
What law are these charities breaking? If they are not actively organising contact between refugees and boat skippers, the information to get in a boat and reach international an UK waters can be found everywhere on the web. You yourself are supplying that information here!
They do not tell how to break law, they tell how to use it to make a legal application for sanctuary.
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07-08-2020, 08:46 PM
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Re: Priti Patel - All Mouth And No Trousers!

Originally Posted by Bread ->
If illegal immigrants pay about £3-4K to get here and they get sent back to France, the first thing is, they stop coming here because they will waste their money with the people smuggling gangs, the second thing is that they will stop going to France as well as there is no point - they only go there to get to the UK anyway.

ta da !
When asked about migrants intercepted off the coast of Dover,*Prime Minister Boris Johnson told Sky News:

We will send you back. The UK should not be regarded as a place where you could automatically come and break the law by seeking to arrive illegally. If you come illegally, you are an illegal migrant, and I’m afraid the law will treat you as such.

The same day,*the Independent reported*that “Lawyers and charities have also condemned Boris Johnson for stating that he would send any asylum seekers who successfully cross the Channel back to France, branding the remarks *‘inflammatory’ *and *‘misleading’.”

Migrants who enter the UK clandestinely can claim asylum. As*Colin Yeo, an immigration and asylum barrister, explains:*“Ultimately, the latest asylum statistics suggest that the majority are genuine refugees who will be recognized as such once their asylum claims are processed.”

Who says this? Your government does on their website here:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...glish-channel/
 
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