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24-01-2019, 12:39 AM
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Re: Who doesn't have the flu jab and why?

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I have it because I have a strong immune system
If your immune system is strong then surely your body can cope with the Flu by itself!
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24-01-2019, 12:55 AM
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Re: Who doesn't have the flu jab and why?

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If your immune system is strong then surely your body can cope with the Flu by itself!
almost killed me...there are different strains and some are vicious. It is a killer even if you are young and healthy.
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24-01-2019, 12:59 PM
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Re: Who doesn't have the flu jab and why?

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almost killed me...there are different strains and some are vicious. It is a killer even if you are young and healthy.
Your logic doesn't follow for me I'm afraid.

The flu vaccine (allegedly!) works by making the body ITSELF create antibodies to combat the virus.

The vaccine does not contain any magic antidotes or virus killing elements. The vaccine simply initiates in the body the NATURAL processes of the immune system to combat an invading virus and thereby generate antibodies.

Those antibodies are weak and only last 1 year because they are predicated on the combatting of a psuedo virus, ostensibly the inactivated virus in the vaccine.

If you actually get the flu, and your body fights it, the antibodies your body produces are far far more potent and powerful and last many years.

Either way, it is your own body that fights either the "pretend" inactivated flu virus or the real virus. Thus your immune system is the solution either way.

If you maintain your immune system and more CRUCIALLY if you understand how your body works and DO NOT OBSTRUCT its healing mechanisms then it is capable of dealing with such viruses quite naturally.

Unfortunately most people do not understand how their bodies work and most people pretty much IMMEDIATELY start taking pills, potions and syrups at the first sign of colds or flu and thereby obstruct pretty massively the body's ability to fight the virus.

When that happens they then wrongly conclude that the virus is somehow particularly deadly or unstoppable and with the constant Big Pharma "Campaign of Fear" running every winter, they go running off to get a flu jab, which frankly just puts you at more risk.

There are viruses and viruses. Your body is capable of deling with the vast majority of them IF you maintain a strong immune system and IF you don't obstruct it's processes.

There are some viruses so virulent, which replicate so quickly that the body can not cope. For those viruses we need dedicated antiviral treatments which do exist.

We do not need to vaccinate every living human to combat bloody flu, especially with a vaccine that is patently and scientifically proven to be next to useless helping about 1 in 100 people who get the shot. What we need is either a vaccine that is proven and scientifically tested that has at least a 75% efficacy rate or else we need good antiviral drugs that can be administered quickly to anyone that gets flu.

Meanwhile, as things currently stand, the safest way forward imho is NOT to have any flu vaccine and to boost your immune system on a daily basis and understand how your body works, in particular with fevers and to be resolved never to obstruct your own body's healing mechanisms with silly pills, capsules, tablets and the like.
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24-01-2019, 02:10 PM
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Re: Who doesn't have the flu jab and why?

That's not how it works realist. If you have a vaccine and it works your body is already prepared to destroy the virus before it has time to replicate. The severity of flu is down to its speed of replication before the body has a chance to build a defence.
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24-01-2019, 03:00 PM
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Re: Who doesn't have the flu jab and why?

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That's not how it works realist.
Sorry but that IS how it works, exactly as I have stated. The vaccine makes your body create antibodies against the psuedo inactivated virus. It is those antibodies that are subsequently supposed to combat the real virus if it later arrives. Unfortunately antibodies made in that way are far far less potent and powerful than antibodies made to combat the real virus. They only last about a year which CONVENIENTLY (cough cough) means you need to keep having the flu vaccine each year to keep creating those lesser antibodies. A self serving vaccine business with perpetual demand.

If you get REAL flu then your body will make extremely strong antibodies against it and those antibodies will last many years, likely 5 or 6 years and will vastly out perform any antibodies that would have been made using a flu vaccine.

Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
If you have a vaccine and it works your body is already prepared to destroy the virus before it has time to replicate. The severity of flu is down to its speed of replication before the body has a chance to build a defence.
And this is where self education comes in and the understnding of how your body works. If you get a flu virus you will quickly get a fever as your body goes immediately into defense mode.

Most uneducated people will immediately reach for paracetamol/neurofen or aspirin tablets (or flu capsules that contain those things) and the second they do that they stop the body being able to generate its fever which is the PRIMARY defense mechanism against these viruses.
The fever would prevent the viruses from replicating, that is its purpose. Without the fever the viruses replicate at an alarming rate and overrun the body and THAT is what kills people.

This simple truth is not advertised by the health industry who instead want to sell you pills, tablets, capsules and potions, even if it kills you. It is a sick and wicked industry.

None of this gets us away from the fact that there are literally HUNDREDS of flu strains circulating the world all the time and the flu vaccine only caters for up to 4 of those strains. As a result the vaccine helps only 1 in 100 people which is utterly useless. No other commercial product on the planet would ever get a green light for consumer release if it's success rate was just 1% !!! Yet flu vaccines do.

The dire risk with the vaccines, apart from the awful list of serious side effects they come with for some, is that it WILL stretch your immune system, forcing it to make antibodies agsinst those tiny 3 or 4 virus strains during the very season where there are hundreds of strains circulating. When you then catch a strain that wasn't in the vaccine you body then has to try and fight it off whilst already having been compromised by the vaccine.

It's like getting a serious cold and then just as you are dealing with it, being given the full Flu virus and hoping your body will cope.

It is for this reason alone that the vast majority of peole who get the flu shot, end up catching ILIs, Influenza Like Illnesses shortly afterward. You are right in the season of cold and flu virsuses and you go and compromise your immune system by having the flu shot. What else can be expected but a bout of nasty cold/flu like illness?!!

I will repeat what I said earlier.

Right now WE DO NOT have an effective flu vaccine. At best the vaccine can only cover up to 4 strains and there are literally hundreds of strains out there. If it were a case of the flu shot doing zero damage to you and not impacting your immune system and not having dangerous undesirable ingredients (like squalene) and not having very serious life impacting side effects and not making you spread germs 6 times more than unvaccinated people . . . . then it might be a no brainer to have it. Covering 4 strains out of 100s is at least something !

Unfortunately though all those above risks DO exist and it is just not worth having those risks for the 1 in 100 chance that you might get benefit from the vaccine, especially if you are already a vulnerable ill or compromised person.

As it is, you have a great deal to lose by having the vaccine and pretty much absolutely nothing to gain by having it.

The world needs a true vaccine that does work and caters for the majority of the flu strains, not this sham fraudulent multi million dollar fake vaccine business that wilfully uses a Campaign Of Fear to frighten people into having it.
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24-01-2019, 03:59 PM
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Re: Who doesn't have the flu jab and why?

Carol must have wished she'd never asked her simple question.
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24-01-2019, 04:30 PM
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Re: Who doesn't have the flu jab and why?

Originally Posted by Realist ->
Sorry but that IS how it works, exactly as I have stated. The vaccine makes your body create antibodies against the psuedo inactivated virus. It is those antibodies that are subsequently supposed to combat the real virus if it later arrives. Unfortunately antibodies made in that way are far far less potent and powerful than antibodies made to combat the real virus. They only last about a year which CONVENIENTLY (cough cough) means you need to keep having the flu vaccine each year to keep creating those lesser antibodies. A self serving vaccine business with perpetual demand.

If you get REAL flu then your body will make extremely strong antibodies against it and those antibodies will last many years, likely 5 or 6 years and will vastly out perform any antibodies that would have been made using a flu vaccine.



And this is where self education comes in and the understnding of how your body works. If you get a flu virus you will quickly get a fever as your body goes immediately into defense mode.

Most uneducated people will immediately reach for paracetamol/neurofen or aspirin tablets (or flu capsules that contain those things) and the second they do that they stop the body being able to generate its fever which is the PRIMARY defense mechanism against these viruses.
The fever would prevent the viruses from replicating, that is its purpose. Without the fever the viruses replicate at an alarming rate and overrun the body and THAT is what kills people.

This simple truth is not advertised by the health industry who instead want to sell you pills, tablets, capsules and potions, even if it kills you. It is a sick and wicked industry.

None of this gets us away from the fact that there are literally HUNDREDS of flu strains circulating the world all the time and the flu vaccine only caters for up to 4 of those strains. As a result the vaccine helps only 1 in 100 people which is utterly useless. No other commercial product on the planet would ever get a green light for consumer release if it's success rate was just 1% !!! Yet flu vaccines do.

The dire risk with the vaccines, apart from the awful list of serious side effects they come with for some, is that it WILL stretch your immune system, forcing it to make antibodies agsinst those tiny 3 or 4 virus strains during the very season where there are hundreds of strains circulating. When you then catch a strain that wasn't in the vaccine you body then has to try and fight it off whilst already having been compromised by the vaccine.

It's like getting a serious cold and then just as you are dealing with it, being given the full Flu virus and hoping your body will cope.

It is for this reason alone that the vast majority of peole who get the flu shot, end up catching ILIs, Influenza Like Illnesses shortly afterward. You are right in the season of cold and flu virsuses and you go and compromise your immune system by having the flu shot. What else can be expected but a bout of nasty cold/flu like illness?!!

I will repeat what I said earlier.

Right now WE DO NOT have an effective flu vaccine. At best the vaccine can only cover up to 4 strains and there are literally hundreds of strains out there. If it were a case of the flu shot doing zero damage to you and not impacting your immune system and not having dangerous undesirable ingredients (like squalene) and not having very serious life impacting side effects and not making you spread germs 6 times more than unvaccinated people . . . . then it might be a no brainer to have it. Covering 4 strains out of 100s is at least something !

Unfortunately though all those above risks DO exist and it is just not worth having those risks for the 1 in 100 chance that you might get benefit from the vaccine, especially if you are already a vulnerable ill or compromised person.

As it is, you have a great deal to lose by having the vaccine and pretty much absolutely nothing to gain by having it.

The world needs a true vaccine that does work and caters for the majority of the flu strains, not this sham fraudulent multi million dollar fake vaccine business that wilfully uses a Campaign Of Fear to frighten people into having it.

So, Realist, have you ever had a flu jab?
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24-01-2019, 04:32 PM
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Re: Who doesn't have the flu jab and why?

Nope obviously not.

Never taken drugs either, or smoked, or drunk excessive alcohol or any other forms of self harm
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24-01-2019, 05:13 PM
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Re: Who doesn't have the flu jab and why?

Realist if your body is prepared with antibodies which were created because of the vaccine then you don't need a fever to destroy the virus. You will destroy it when the first viral cell enters the body. If the virus cannot replicate you don't need a massive defence which wipes you out for 3 weeks. It's basic immunology.
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24-01-2019, 07:24 PM
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Re: Who doesn't have the flu jab and why?

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Nope obviously not.

Never taken drugs either,
or smoked, or drunk excessive alcohol or any other forms of self harm



So may I ask why you buy prescription drugs and stock pile them, if they are not for you?
 
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