Re: Astra zeneca and EU ??

I know, from what you said, you have had the OxAZ jab, but if you consider 1 in 600,000 as being many, then what do you consider being a "few", Reg? This is the risk of getting a supposed blood clot due to OxAZ jab in the UK. In the EU, the number is 1 in 100,000. These figures are from today's DE who got them from the Torygraph I think the article said.

These numbers are still way, way below the risk of anyone having a stroke under normal conditions.

The EMA is giving a press conference right about now about their latest discussions regarding the OxAZ vaccine. Our lot are updating reporters at the same time. Live on TV now.

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And from that conference so far both the EMA (the EU's regulatory body) and our own MHRA are saying that the benefits of the AstraZeneca vaccine in preventing Covid-19 overall outweigh the risks of side effects.

"She [Dr June Raine] said the risk of this kind of side effect was about four in one million to those who receive the vaccine.

"This is extremely rare and the balance of benefits and known risks of the vaccine is still very favourable for the vast number of people," she adds."

It's looking like there will be new advice on what to look out for regarding side effects and also already the under-30's that accept vaccination will be offered an alternative to the Oxford AZ jab.
That's ""really out of the utmost caution" rather than "any serious safety concerns" says Professor Wei Shen, chairman of the JVCI.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56659036

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I fear that the damage done by going public with these blood clot stats, will, itself, lead to many more deaths, of anti vaccine people, in the end.

At best, someone made a mistake putting the figures out. At worst if someone did it for political payback reasons.

People under 30, in the uk, are now being offered an alternative vaccine!

Wonder what the legal beagles will be focussing on after this?

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If more anti-vaxers die because they refused to have a perfectly good inoculation, then that's down to them. They chose not to have a jab, I choose to have it - I want to protect myself. Simples.

All medications carry a potential risk of varying degrees. Just look at the paperwork provided with a packet of paracetamol or ibuprofen or, for younger women, the contraceptive pill. The list of possible complications is so frightening, I'm surprised anyone takes them at all.

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I think so too.
Why it's only the Oxford AZ vaccine getting this attention I don't know since I posted the other day about similar problems and research into the Pfizer BioNTech and Moderna vaccines too.
This report is from towards the end of March:

"In a case series, James Bussel, MD, and colleagues reviewed 20 reports of thrombocytopenia after receipt of the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines in the U.S."

"His group found that 17 of these patients did not have pre-existing thrombocytopenia."

"However, they note that "all but one" of these cases occurred after the first dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine."

See in particular the "Clots in the US" section, about a third of the way down the page linked here:
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special...clusives/91813

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Trouble might be, though, that because no vaccinated person is 100% safe, there might be a large number who have done the right thing but still get infected by those who didn't.

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Yes, but presumably in a much milder form ? 🤔

D man! 👍👍

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About time for the politicians to belt up l think ??

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A few EU ones certainly but it's (from what I can see given my earlier post) far more likely that it's the other major pharma companies doing their darndest to maximise profits during a pandemic which, I'm sure you must agree, is about as distasteful as you could possibly get.

AstraZeneca's aim is to supply 142 countries with many millions of doses of vaccine - all on a not-for-profit basis remember as the only vaccine maker to do so.

India alone has so far given over 77 million AZ doses (called Covishield in India) and today it is being reported that The Serum Institute of India which manufactures the AZ vaccine under license has asked the Indian government for $400 million to increase capacity so that they can make more.

Not I'm sure that any official anywhere would ever say this in public at least, but it's quite obvious that other manufacturers will want to capture as much of the market as possible and so increase their own profitability as almost every single person on the planet is likely to receive multiple vaccinations not just this year but in the years ahead.

It might not be exactly ethical but that's business.

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It's about death Ted, not having the vaccine has got nothing to do with catching the virus or passing it on, that can still be done by a vaccinated person. Everybody can still catch the virus, but you are less likely to be hospitalised or die if you had the vaccine. In fact, an unvaccinated person has more to fear from you than you have from them.