06-10-2019, 01:32 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?
Originally Posted by Muddy
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Yes it does .For all the reasons that you have been ignoring in this thread up to now .
1) Judicial retribution is not murder
2) closure for the victims families
3) safety of prison guards and other prisoners
4) cost of keeping them is immoral when innocent people are dying for lack of resources
5) it’s immoral for the families of victims to be obliged to pay for the upkeep of their loved ones murderers
6) it is a deterrent whatever you say
7) consequences -murder and you die
8) prevents repeat offences
9) it is a punishment and the punishment must fit the crime
10) it is the right thing to do -to keep heinous murderers alive is utter madness.
There is ZERO evidence of it being a deterrent.
06-10-2019, 01:36 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?
Originally Posted by Besoeker
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There is ZERO evidence of it being a deterrent.
Depends which study one wants to cite.
However, I do agree that the tiny number of cases in which capital punishment might be used involve a set of circumstances/criminals for which the concept of deterrence is irrelevant.
06-10-2019, 01:41 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?
Originally Posted by Besoeker
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There is ZERO evidence of it being a deterrent.
There could be more people out there with the thoughts 'i could do that but if i do, i could get the death penalty, therefore i wont risk it'. People who think like this do not come under pollsters radar but it is still valid. As such it can be argued that the death penalty works as a deterrent.
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I am sure if there was a study done on past and present criminals who were/are jailed for serious crimes but not for capital crimes and the question was put to them 'why didn't you go further into your crime and kill the person, rather than just beating them up or injuring them' i think you'll find the response will be 'i did not want to face the death penalty'.
No one wants to do such a study because it would give legitimacy to the fact the death penalty works as a deterrent and would put a dent into all those trying to abolish it.
06-10-2019, 01:47 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?
Originally Posted by Besoeker
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There is ZERO evidence of it being a deterrent.
06-10-2019, 02:06 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?
Originally Posted by Dextrous63
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This is, arguably, a strong case for using the death penalty if we are trying to mitigate the "dark ages" methods of vengeance.Societal torture is far more cruel than an execution.
07-10-2019, 07:10 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?
Hypothetical question to those against capital punishment.If the perp served his/her time, and was then released back into the community.
What would you argue if that person then killed someone else?
Surely that new "lost life" would be down to decisions like yours?
07-10-2019, 07:20 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?
Originally Posted by Tedc
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Hypothetical question to those against capital punishment.If the perp served his/her time, and was then released back into the community.
What would you argue if that person then killed someone else?
Surely that new "lost life" would be down to decisions like yours?
Mind you, your question does remain relevant if one of them escaped and committed a further murder.
07-10-2019, 07:31 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?
Originally Posted by pauline3
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How would you know,that the death penalty that is in place,in America,doesn't deter some people from murdering?
But that the homicide rate in USA with capital punishment is about five times that of UK which doesn't is evidence that it is not working. Actually, someone on this thread came up with figures indicating that those states that don't have capital punishment have a lower homicide rate.
07-10-2019, 09:08 PM
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Re: Does being a good human being matter to you?
Originally Posted by Besoeker
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I didn't claim to know that. But that the homicide rate in USA with capital punishment is about five times that of UK which doesn't is evidence that it is not working. Actually, someone on this thread came up with figures indicating that those states that don't have capital punishment have a lower homicide rate.
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