03-02-2019, 06:45 PM
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Re: Benefits of EU membership?
Originally Posted by itsme
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Just three examples bready old boy.$1 trillion is leaving Britain because of Brexit, https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/07/i...ets/index.html
The economy is one of the slowest growing economies in the G7
https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-econ...wth-within-g7/
We are at the back of the queue.
I feel like you are some kind of villlage idiot that has never been beyond the bridge at the edge of town , scared of all the stories , bears in the woods ... bogie men ... lochness monster in the lake so run away home again little girl before the ghosts get you after dark and you simply cannot get your head around size and distance and me trying to explain to you that the world is far bigger than your village ... that you live in a country that goes far far beyond the horizon you see ... that if I could take you up into the clouds you still couldn’t see the edges ... if we went up into space only then could someone like you begin to grasp the size of this planet with your narrow minded fear outlook .... well instead of size think time and il introduce a new word to your vocabulary ... FOREVER ... when you can grasp the concept of forever and that FOREVER lasts far longer than any POSSIBLE SHORT TERM FINANCIAL LOSS TODAY then and only then would we consider you intelligent enough to vote in a referendum on the future of a nation as at the moment you seem unable to grasp the meaning of time
03-02-2019, 06:46 PM
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Re: Benefits of EU membership?
Originally Posted by itsme
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Just three examples bready old boy.$1 trillion is leaving Britain because of Brexit, https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/07/i...ets/index.html
The economy is one of the slowest growing economies in the G7
https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-econ...wth-within-g7/
We are at the back of the queue.
Your quoting the Clinton news network... has that money actually left and where did it go ? Where is the foreign investment in the EU ? If your on about barclays moving money to Dublin that's because it's the EU side of the banking business which needs to be in the EU and because we are leaving ... it makes sense to do so
The EMA moved out of the UK for the same reasons
Where is the FTA with the USA ? So far 40 years and counting.... why so long and why do we have to leave to do this ?
03-02-2019, 06:59 PM
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Re: Benefits of EU membership?
Originally Posted by Judd
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Try telling that to Greece and Italy. Italy's latest budget has been rejected by the EU dictators and so has gone into recession. They are on a hiding to nowhere as being tied to the Euro, they can't leave the corrupt EU because of the massive debts they owe. If they hadn't adopted the Euro in the first place they could have revalued the Lira to encourage more investment and boost exports. That of course was the real reason for introducing the Euro in the first place, to maintain the economies of Germany and France at the expense of everyone else's.
NB interesting to note that at the time, Dyson was for us joining the euro.
03-02-2019, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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You said 800 000 would lose their job
You said the banks would leave
You said the economy would collapse
You got obama to say we would go to the back of the queue
You said there would be a run on the banks
You were completely and totally wrong.
"You"? Are you talking about the DC? I said at the time that there would be a shambles. We will be ok if we can agree a deal, that is not looking likely right now. I still hold out hope that common sense will prevail.
03-02-2019, 07:09 PM
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Re: Benefits of EU membership?
Originally Posted by Bread
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Your quoting the Clinton news network... has that money actually left and where did it go ? Where is the foreign investment in the EU ? If your on about barclays moving money to Dublin that's because it's the EU side of the banking business which needs to be in the EU and because we are leaving ... it makes sense to do so The EMA moved out of the UK for the same reasons
Where is the FTA with the USA ? So far 40 years and counting.... why so long and why do we have to leave to do this ?
Our biggest exports to the EU are services, so yes the money is going their to continue business.
This is important because the tax on this will be paid in the EU, not in the UK.
The success or failure of Brexit cannot be blamed on remainers or leavers, it is pointless fighting and hurling insults at others.
Exports are vital to the UK, we are the tenth largest exporter in the world.
The big manufacturers will go where their bean counters say they will make most profit, they are multi nationals with no concern for the UK at all.
We owe vast amounts of money, the interest rates on that debt are set by the Money Markets, as is the value of the £.
They will make the decisions, not remainers or leavers.
Life is too short to argue, especially when the arguments will have no effect at all on the end result.
03-02-2019, 07:14 PM
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Re: Benefits of EU membership?
Originally Posted by marmaduke
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How many times do remoaners need the bigger picture explaining to them ? Are remainers missing a gene ? Can’t see that forever lasts a lot longer than some POSSIBLE SHORT TERM FINANCIAL LOSS and that most certainly remaining in the EU isn’t the answer to our problems ???? I’m seriously now starting to honestly believe remainers are Jeremy Kyle audience in the making
https://youtu.be/7glNBtlAYhA
Secondly in the long term the whole world order could change. You're assuming ceteris paribus. That's fine in the classroom but in the real world there are too many variables to make long term plans. But if our civilsation is to fragment further (which looks likely) then that will be the end of the sphere of Western influence. That would mean that the "bumpy ride" euphemism could last forever.
03-02-2019, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Firstly we don't want what could possibly be 8 to ten years of pain. Possibly losing pensions and the NHS contracting services. Chaos and public finance do not go well together. Chaos and business do not go well together (unless you're a shark). No deal is about as close to a war like economic situation as we can get. Secondly in the long term the whole world order could change. You're assuming ceteris paribus. That's fine in the classroom but in the real world there are too many variables to make long term plans. But if our civilsation is to fragment further (which looks likely) then that will be the end of the sphere of Western influence. That would mean that the "bumpy ride" euphemism could last forever.
We are in for a bumpy ride anyway , we where always in for a bumpy ride as ( I’m seriously getting sick of saying this the bigger picture is larger than brexit) those experts , let’s call them George and Tony and other educated folk tore up the rule book and started their war on terror ... they deposed and caused a vacuum in the Middle East and changed the world order ... I could then lecture you about ( memory says his name was Mohamed asouzi , wrong spelling but whatever ) and the start of the Arab spring in Tunisia then Egypt then we have the king of idiots of all time the silver spooner eton educated Cameron who against all sense and despite seeing vacuums from deposed leaders /governments went ahead and turned Libya into what a mess it is today ... we saw the people of Syria see everything around them turn to shit yet still they decided to oppose Assad and look at them now !!! But a world order change is happening right before your eyes and the west can no longer influence it .... we let the genie out the bottle !!!!
So the world was and is changing with or without brexit !
We have putrid and his ogliarchs in Russia wanting world domination , China no longer a cheap workhouse of fake immitation sweatshops but actually a world leader in many fields and possibly a superpower in the making ... we have Everyman and his dog apart from Westminster hating Saudi and Iran taking advantage of the turmoil and having a proxy war there so to say we are not safe in the world of everything because we are leaving Europe possibly the world is a safer place if we once and for all stop trying to play with the big boys , accept the empire was lost centuries ago and take OUR PROPER PLACE in the world as a small country on the edge of a Europe that will in time fall apart and take this opportunity as a head start .. stop trying to influence Middle East , stop being America’s poodle , start investing and believing in ourselves and that must must must start at the bottom and that means having a parliament with elected mp’s working for the people and not the EU ... until we get this in order then we will never stand in this world
03-02-2019, 07:41 PM
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Marmaduke in times of world chaos you stick to the known. You don't cause chaos in your own corner. You do not crash out of a trading block. There have been storms around the world for decades. But the EU has maintained political and economic stability in this part of the world.The second part of your post goes back to what I call hobbit thinking. That's not how humans thrive. We thrive by cooperating. Otherwise we may as well go back to living in caves, beating chests and throwing spears.
03-02-2019, 07:59 PM
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Re: Benefits of EU membership?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Marmaduke in times of world chaos you stick to the known. You don't cause chaos in your own corner. You do not crash out of a trading block. There have been storms around the world for decades. But the EU has maintained political and economic stability in this part of the world. The second part of your post goes back to what I call hobbit thinking. That's not how humans thrive. We thrive by cooperating. Otherwise we may as well go back to living in caves, beating chests and throwing spears.
03-02-2019, 08:03 PM
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Re: Benefits of EU membership?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Marmaduke in times of world chaos you stick to the known. You don't cause chaos in your own corner. You do not crash out of a trading block. There have been storms around the world for decades. But the EU has maintained political and economic stability in this part of the world. The second part of your post goes back to what I call hobbit thinking. That's not how humans thrive. We thrive by cooperating. Otherwise we may as well go back to living in caves, beating chests and throwing spears.
Anne dear anni , these things you claim , the Eu has maintained political stability for decades ... hmmm , well firstly you speak as if this has been solely because of the EU ?????
That without junkers we would have all been at war long before now ??? Really ??? I put it to you that to start with the EEC as a trading agreement between a few European countries was okay , it grew to make things like Concorde as countries joined in expertise and everyone rejoiced in the streets ... however an unelected elite made the EU and this is a little like isis in Islam ... an unelected unaccountable group that take no prisoners and make their own rules ruining many economies that wouldn’t have even been there had they never joined !!!
So to say we owe everything to the EU and that these halfwits are the saviour for the future ??? Really ??? Then I suggest you take a look at Spanish and Italian employment ...investment ...
Oh boy could we sit here quoting figures , the reason project fear was even invented was because no one in the whole of the EU ... think about that for a moment ... David Cameron and THE WHOLE OF THE EU couldn’t come up with anything to sell the EU to us as worth staying ...so please please don’t start imagining you owe peace in your lifetime to the EU
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