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Instead of endless discussions we should just stop paying into the EU and say send us a bill on the day we formally leave after negotiating a settlement to our mutual benefit and we will settle any debts then
That should help to concentrate minds in the EU I think.

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The TV political show is just that, a show put on for the dumb Sheeple.

The EU has refused to reform, proved unable to reform and change. What began as a worthy aim of uniting many countries to share resources, create humane conditions and share responsibilities has been usurped by corrupt Common Purpose agendas and now morphed into just a self-serving federalist state. No-one wants it. It is ugly, contaminated and has no future.

The EU is not going to be redesigned or reformed. It is collapsing before our very eyes. It is a failed ideal and just a tool for a wealthy elite to gain massive power and control and to destroy the sovereignties of many countries.

We must clear the decks, remove the dross, cast out the criminals and start afresh and this time around put in place the necessary constitutional documents and legislation to prevent any group ever again having the power to undermine the UK sovereignty and justice systems.

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The many legal cases would empty the UK Treasury coffers methinks...

The UK already owes billions (61?) before it leaves.

That is a lot of red buses...

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The UN provides many many positives for the world.



UNDP
The United Nations Development Programme works in nearly 170 countries and territories, helping to eradicate poverty, reduce inequalities and build resilience so countries can sustain progress. As the UN’s development agency, UNDP plays a critical role in helping countries achieve the Sustainable Development Goals.

UNICEF
The United Nations Children's Fund provides long-term humanitarian and development assistance to children and mothers.

UNHCR
The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees – UNHCR protects refugees worldwide and facilitates their return home or resettlement.

WFP
The World Food Programme aims to eradicate hunger and malnutrition. It is the world’s largest humanitarian agency. Every year, the programme feeds almost 80 million people in around 75 countries.

UNODC
The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime – UNODC helps Member States fight drugs, crime, and terrorism.

UNFPA
The United Nations Population Fund – UNFPA is the lead UN agency for delivering a world where every pregnancy is wanted, every birth is safe, and every young person's potential is fulfilled.

UNCTAD
The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development is the United Nations body responsible for dealing with development issues, particularly international trade – the main driver of development.

UNEP
The United Nations Environment Programme established in 1972, is the voice for the environment within the United Nations system. UNEP acts as a catalyst, advocate, educator and facilitator to promote the wise use and sustainable development of the global environment.

UNRWA
The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees has contributed to the welfare and human development of four generations of Palestine refugees. It’s services encompass education, health care, relief and social services, camp infrastructure and improvement, microfinance and emergency assistance, including in times of armed conflict. It reports only to the UN General Assembly.

UN Women
UN Women merges and builds on the important work of four previously distinct parts of the UN system, which focus exclusively on gender equality and women’s empowerment.

UN-Habitat
The mission of the United Nations Human Settlements Programme is to promote socially and environmentally sustainable human settlements development and the achievement of adequate shelter for all.

UN Specialized Agencies

The UN specialized agencies are autonomous organizations working with the United Nations. All were brought into relationship with the UN through negotiated agreements. Some existed before the First World War. Some were associated with the League of Nations. Others were created almost simultaneously with the UN. Others were created by the UN to meet emerging needs.

World Bank
The World Bank focuses on poverty reduction and the improvement of living standards worldwide by providing low-interest loans, interest-free credit, and grants to developing countries for education, health, infrastructure, and communications, among other things. The World Bank works in over 100 countries.

World Bank Group
International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD)
International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID)
International Development Association (IDA)
International Finance Corporation (IFC)
Multilateral Investment Guarantee Agency (MIGA)
IMF
The International Monetary Fund fosters economic growth and employment by providing temporary financial assistance to countries to help ease balance of payments adjustment and technical assistance. The IMF currently has $28 billion in outstanding loans to 74 nations.

WHO
The World Health Organization is the directing and coordinating authority on international health within the United Nations system. The objective of WHO is the attainment by all peoples of the highest possible level of health. Health, as defined in the WHO Constitution, is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.

UNESCO
The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization focuses on everything from teacher training to helping improve education worldwide to protecting important historical and cultural sites around the world. UNESCO added 28 new World Heritage Sites this year to the list of irreplaceable treasures that will be protected for today's travelers and future generations.

ILO
The International Labor Organization promotes international labor rights by formulating international standards on the freedom to associate, collective bargaining, the abolition of forced labor, and equality of opportunity and treatment.

FAO
The Food and Agriculture Organization leads international efforts to fight hunger. It is both a forum for negotiating agreements between developing and developed countries and a source of technical knowledge and information to aid development.

IFAD
The International Fund for Agricultural Development, since it was created in 1977, has focused exclusively on rural poverty reduction, working with poor rural populations in developing countries to eliminate poverty, hunger and malnutrition; raise their productivity and incomes; and improve the quality of their lives.

IMO
The International Maritime Organization has created a comprehensive shipping regulatory framework, addressing safety and environmental concerns, legal matters, technical cooperation, security, and efficiency.

WMO
The World Meteorological Organization facilitates the free international exchange of meteorological data and information and the furtherance of its use in aviation, shipping, security, and agriculture, among other things.

WIPO
The World Intellectual Property Organization protects intellectual property throughout the world through 23 international treaties.

ICAO
The International Civilian Aviation Organization sets international rules on air navigation, the investigation of air accidents, and aerial border-crossing procedures

ITU
The International Telecommunication Union is the United Nations specialized agency for information and communication technologies. It is committed to connecting all the world's people – wherever they live and whatever their means. Through our work, we protect and support everyone's fundamental right to communicate

UNIDO
The United Nations Industrial Development Organization is the specialized agency of the United Nations that promotes industrial development for poverty reduction, inclusive globalization and environmental sustainability.

UPU
The Universal Postal Union is the primary forum for cooperation between postal sector players. It helps to ensure a truly universal network of up-to-date products and services.

UNWTO
The World Tourism Organization is the United Nations agency responsible for the promotion of responsible, sustainable and universally accessible tourism.

Other Entities

UNAIDS
The Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS is co-sponsored by 10 UN system agencies: UNHCR, UNICEF, WFP, UNDP, UNFPA, UNODC, the ILO, UNESCO, WHO and the World Bank and has ten goals related to stopping and reversing the spread of HIV/AIDS.

UNISDR
The United Nations Office for Disaster Reduction serves as the focal point in the United Nations system for the coordination of disaster reduction.

UNOPS
The United Nations Office for Project Services is an operational arm of the United Nations, supporting the successful implementation of its partners' peacebuilding, humanitarian and development projects around the world.

Related Organizations

IAEA
The International Atomic Energy Agency, is the world's centre for cooperation in the nuclear field. The Agency works with its Member States and multiple partners worldwide to promote the safe, secure and peaceful use of nuclear technologies.

WTO
The World Trade Organization is a forum for governments to negotiate trade agreements, and a place where member governments try to sort out the trade problems they face with each other.

CTBTO
The Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization promotes the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (which is not yet in force) and the build-up of the verification regime so that it is operational when the Treaty enters into force.

OPCW
The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons is the implementing body of the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), which entered into force in 1997. OPCW Member States work together to achieve a world free of chemical weapons.

IOM
The International Organization for Migration works to help ensure the orderly and humane management of migration, to promote international cooperation on migration issues, to assist in the search for practical solutions to migration problems and to provide humanitarian assistance to migrants in need, including refugees and internally displaced people.
http://www.un.org/en/sections/about-...ers/index.html


No doubt people will be able to point out the failings of some of the above.
But we are humans, we err.
And one must ask
"would the world be a better place without the efforts of these programs" ?

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This!

I don't give a flying **** what the EU wants or what the EU is prepared to 'give'. I just want to get out.

The whole corrupt organisation is set to collapse before too long anyway, and we don't want to be one of the last countries still in.

As you have said. Get out now and worry about trade deals with individual EU countries - and the rest of the world - later. If they want to trade, we'll agree a mutually beneficial deal. If they don't, there are plenty of other countries who will.

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oh dear.

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Hi

I also voted to leave.

I did not vote for Financial Suicide.

If we just leave now, we have absolutely no way of collecting Tariffs.

We have no way of producing Point of Origin Certificates for our Exports.

That is what Industry has been telling the Government.

Out we go, yes, but there has to be a sense of reality here.

We have had enough Austerity, we need to be clever about this.

It would be totally wrong to impose cuts on the most vulnerable 3 times more than we already have done.

Because of the sheer stupidity of our Politicians, we do not even have our own Computer System to do this.

We are totally reliant on the EU system.

So, if you fancy a 25% cut in public sector Pensions and a 10% cut in State Pensions, so be it.

I do not.

Out we go, there is a massive amount to do in the next two years.

Time to get on with it, it is achievable.

Simply leaving now is not.

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I understand this, and you have said the same many times.

If TM sticks to her word and triggers Article 50 by next Spring, and can then get us out in a couple of years, I'll be happy. I believe it is possible to put everything in place in that time but, of course, we are up against remainiacs who are doing all they can to delay things - for their own selfish benefit, I am sure.

We have successfully traded with the world in the past and we can do it again. We MUST do it again. We WILL do it again for the simple reason that the EU will disintegrate before very much longer.

More importantly, we must never allow our country to be dragged into such a corrupt organisation ever again. Can we trust future politicians not to do the same thing again?

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How on earth do you know this??? By the word of god?? or your own rather vague understanding of the enormity of what has to be done? or by simply your crossed fingers?

Here is a relatively short discussion about the issues to be discussed concerning leaving.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_issues