Re: Proposal being put forward for Green Cards for settled Immigrants living in UK

Hi

A personal view.

Our Borders should already be closed, we are an island.

Not a day goes by without illegals gaining entry

We are 27 months away from leaving, we have no plan in place, much less the systems and personnel.

Free movement is subject to two conditions, a risk to public safety or a risk to public health.

We have no need to let those with a criminal record into the UK, yet we do.

We already catch large numbers of illegals working here, we release them on bail and they disappear.

We have no obligation under any EU Law, it is purely our choice to do so.

We allow illegals who have been here for months and years to apply for asylum.

There is no need to do this under InternationaL Law.

Again, it is our choice.

We already have laws carrying large penalties for people who employ illegals.

Governments are ace at introducing new laws.

Their time would be much better spent in enforcing the existing ones.

Recently a proposal was floated that all schools would have ti have proof of residency before admitting a pupil.

Very sensible in my view, again shot down because it would be racist.

It is very fashionable to blame the EU for all this.

In 27 months time, we leave.

Who are our politicians going to blame then?

It is the UK's sole fault that we have so much Immigration and so many Illegals.

We have more Immigration from outside the EU from within it.

We have 10 times as much Immigration then France does, and they are in the EU,

We could control EU Immigration very easily by changing our Benefits system, we don't, again our fault.

Boris Johnson?

Well, this Brexiteer has proposed an amnesty for illegals who have been here for a number of years.

How stupid is that?

600,000 illegals we should be removing.

A personal view, I feel I am just going round in circles on these types of threads.

Hangman and General Chat appeals much more, so I will leave you to your discussions.

Re: Proposal being put forward for Green Cards for settled Immigrants living in UK

We could control EU Immigration very easily by changing our Benefits system, we don't, again our fault.

Since June there are no benefits available for EU immigrants unless they have been in the UK for 5 years.

Thanks to the European Court of Justice which overturned a Commission decision.

Re: Proposal being put forward for Green Cards for settled Immigrants living in UK

What about blue cards for males and pink cards for females?

Re: Proposal being put forward for Green Cards for settled Immigrants living in UK

You make a very good case, and I agree with you 100%. I can understand why Labour politicians are happy to turn a blind eye (attempts to increase their voters), but why are the Conservatives continuing to allow this?

Re: Proposal being put forward for Green Cards for settled Immigrants living in UK

one could take the argument further , we hear the cry of business needs migration to fill job vacancies .....fair enough il go along with that if its controlled migration and not only from the eu but I believe we need the right people in the right jobs so open migration / employment up world wide as if were building a rocket and going to the moon then id suggest we interview an ex American astronaut as opposed to being forced to accept a greek astronaut with an ology in astronomy simply because he is a transgender European ( I presume the pc brigade wish to open up the position to all race/gender/minorities )
but why are we forced to accept cheap labour to undermine every other job from truck drivers to warehouse staff? I can see the benefit to business owners , zero hour contracts , low wages , no pensions holidays sick pay etc but of what benefit to the host workforce? what do I get out of having a factory full of polish workers ??????????? none , but I do get housing shortage , school shortage etc .
so now we get to cheap farm labour , the jobs no one else wants , yet we also have millions sat around on the dole , a lifestyle choice for many , leave school and retire .
how about them having to do something / anything ( even simply sit and play pokerman all day in a football stadium for 8 hours a day) for their benefits ????????? yes sure their would be an outcry .........but why am I working for a living when they sit at home all day ?????
now even the thickest of the thick would soon realise they would be better working /doing anything for the minimum wage than sitting in a shed for 8 hours a day for benefits .........so would look for work and get more £££ than dole .........and intime will look for a better job and so forth instead of leave school become a drain on society for ever
there are countless options open if a government has both the balls and freedom to do things ....
lets go further , the bigger picture .....trump is president elect and it doesn't matter what you think ,its what he thinks that matters as hes the president and your not !
so I imagine from his soundbites he wont be giving handouts to Africa quite so freely in the next 4 years ...why should he ??? but the effect wont be felt by americans but you can bet your last euro that will cause more to head for angelas open door policy ....
look at the bigger picture and its a simple no bbrainer that the eu has painted itself into a corner with its ffree movement policy , its shot itself in the head with the migrant crisis , a crisis that will never ever end ..........the arab spring is a sunni v shia thing ...........its not our problem and the west is never going to be the solution either ..........leave them to either kill each other or make peace .........but don't simply allow them to move here and bring radical islam with it be it today or in a million days ...........madness and only the loopy left PC brigade cant see it (or choose to ignore it )

controlled migration , leave Europe to its headless chicken policies ..........move on with the rest of the world and maybe in a few years time if the eu promises to buck its ideas up then we may , just may allow them to deal with GREAT BRITAIN

Re: Proposal being put forward for Green Cards for settled Immigrants living in UK

Same reason.
They have a very small majority and want to keep it in 2020.

Which politicians have EVER admitted to a mistake? Blair still says his decision to bomb Baghdad was right!

Re: Proposal being put forward for Green Cards for settled Immigrants living in UK

M's ranting again.

I got this far:
we hear the cry of business needs migration to fill job vacancies .....fair enough il go along with that if its controlled migration and not only from the eu but I believe we need the right people in the right jobs so open migration / employment up world wide



and just couldn't read any more.

Not for the first time M...the number of people from outside the EU going to the UK is bigger than the number from inside it.

and if the UK ever can afford to have a private space industry, I would hire German scientists. not Greek ones.

The UK already hires people from all over the world. They don't need the approval of the EU and they don't need to hire a European first either.

The UK is no FORCED to accept anyone. They CHOOSE to.

Re: Proposal being put forward for Green Cards for settled Immigrants living in UK

dizzy ( bows to HRH) how nice of you to join us today , still your usual self I see...
I'm of no doubt a fair few do the same to your posts as its the usual eu rhetoric regurgitation straight from the mouth of junkers that you spout .....but just for old times sake remind me again of the advantages of having an open border policy , I forget now why it is that the eu is better than any and every nation from America to Australia , mali to Alaska ..........why we are better off not setting our own limits on migration ........the day you sell that one to the rest of the world is the day il consider it


and ps , don't be so nasty towards greeks , they need love and understanding too ,afterall they are Germanys welcome mat

Re: Proposal being put forward for Green Cards for settled Immigrants living in UK

As usual you haven't answered my point but gone off into another spiral of your own.

And I have answered this many times. I can to see why a person born and living in a country which has joined and pays into a group of countries in order to augment its own wealth (a reasonable goal) is not allowed to work in any of the countries it has joined up to and has paid into.

and I do not see the value of a system of control of immigration which actually allows MORE people into the UK than the one without a system of control.

The primary reason why so many low wage EU citizens are working in the UK is because the points system for non EU workers has closed the two categories of non-EU immigrants. and they are necessary to the welfare of the UK. so those who come from closer than those outside the European borders and can go home again more easily are better placed to do the temporary work that you seem to think is so detrimental to the UK.

Controlling immigration has not worked since its inception in 2011. The same number of people are still necessary for the economy; There is absolutely no reason to think that controlling immigration will cause any less demand (except probably because the UK economy will slow down so they aren't necessary anymore but then they wouldn't come anyway).so if they are needed they will come! You can slap as many visa restrictions on them as you like...if they are needed they will come!

But to beggar your own country for a control that doesn't work by proof is just ridiculous!

Re: Proposal being put forward for Green Cards for settled Immigrants living in UK

night night dizzy



( think bigger picture .........think of the longest word in the dictionary ....................................it starts with 4 and ends in ever )