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Don't panic Donkeyman. Petra will soon discover that TAT never fails to disappoint
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I must say that I'm surprised at that. I stand corrected.

I would have thought that it must be cheaper to put a satellite in orbit than to lay an undersea cable, but there you are.

I also hadn't realised that undersea cables now use fibre optics but, on reflection, I suppose that using copper conductors would mean amplifying the signal at points along the length.
The problem with satellites is the delay because of the distance the signal has to travel. In the 70s and 80s ringing the UK was awful because of this delay, one party would think the other wasn't speaking and start talking again. With the much shorter distances used by fibre optics this delay is minimal.

The world has changed since I worked in telecommunications, microwave and coax when I started was going to be the future. Now it is just something that used to be. Microwave is really only used for temporary links. Just look at the PO Tower in London, when I worked there it had dozens of microwave dishes sending signals all over Britain, today it has none, the technology has come and gone in my working lifetime.

Travelling up the Stuart Highway from Adelaide to Darwin at the side of the road about every 30km was a concrete hut and a solar array powering the coaxial route. These days three quarters of those arrays are empty as the coax has been replaced by fibre which doesn't need so many repeaters and has a vastly wider bandwidth.
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05-02-2021, 02:20 AM
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I don't understand your logic in that statement Bruce....
As I see it, the first, and perhaps the only act of aggression a country needs to do is disable the internet of it's victim.
Can you imagine how that country could possibly respond without a national grid, water supply, a transport system, GPS and the NHS if it happened to us.
The Internet (or more accurately the World Wide Web) is designed so that an interruption to any part of it does not affect it. It was originally envisaged by the CIA (I think) so that in the event of a nuclear war communications would be able to continue. A break even at multiple points doesn't disable its ability to automatically route traffic.

The two scientists mentioned earlier made it work.
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05-02-2021, 08:02 AM
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The problem with satellites is the delay because of the distance the signal has to travel. In the 70s and 80s ringing the UK was awful because of this delay, one party would think the other wasn't speaking and start talking again. With the much shorter distances used by fibre optics this delay is minimal.

The world has changed since I worked in telecommunications, microwave and coax when I started was going to be the future. Now it is just something that used to be. Microwave is really only used for temporary links. Just look at the PO Tower in London, when I worked there it had dozens of microwave dishes sending signals all over Britain, today it has none, the technology has come and gone in my working lifetime.

Travelling up the Stuart Highway from Adelaide to Darwin at the side of the road about every 30km was a concrete hut and a solar array powering the coaxial route. These days three quarters of those arrays are empty as the coax has been replaced by fibre which doesn't need so many repeaters and has a vastly wider bandwidth.
That's "Technical Evolution" for you.
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05-02-2021, 08:59 AM
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Hi

Declare war on the EU?

We will get flattened in hours.
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05-02-2021, 10:52 AM
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Hi

Declare war on the EU?

We will get flattened in hours.
You're kidding - that lot are incapable of deciding anything within a timescale as short as hours.
Decades yes; years maybe.
Hours?
Never!
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You're kidding - that lot are incapable of deciding anything within a timescale as short as hours.
Decades yes; years maybe.
Hours?
Never!
HI
Nope.

That is the brutal reality of life.
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05-02-2021, 01:15 PM
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It's an interesting thread, especially since one of the main purposes of creating the EU in the first place was to prevent a second world war.
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There are more ways to kill a cat than kicking it up the arse and there are more ways to conduct war than with things that go bang.
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There are more ways to kill a cat than kicking it up the arse and there are more ways to conduct war than with things that go bang.
Mustard gas?
 
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