12-02-2020, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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Though the MFF 2014-2020 focuses on growth and job creation, for the first time in the EU’s history, the overall amount of the MFF will be lower (3.5%) than those in the previous financial period (2007-13). During the past months several governments of Member States, in particular the net contributors, fought hard to reduce the spending ceilings, arguing that national governments had also been forced to approve austerity budgets.
12-02-2020, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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Those extra costs will be paid either :1. Through austerity in the member states having to pay up
2. By Germany asking for debt repayments from Spain, Portugal, Ireland and Greece. (Expect land grabs from Germany in the coming months).
Most likely it will be a combination of both.
I posted this about a week ago, it's good to see its not just me paying attention.
Meanwhile, the EU need to take stock that "Treasure Island" is opening up its markets to other countries for imports. The EU have on one hand and enormous amount of money to find from Denmark, France, Germany etc and on the other, their biggest single market outside the EU walking away and trading elsewhere.
Oh... and Germany and the 26 already have shrinking economies.
Oh dear
The loss to the EU is not Great.
It amounts to £500 million a year across every Country.
Some will lose, some will win.
France and Germany are no idiots.
They will block some Services and make a profit from it.
12-02-2020, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiThe loss to the EU is not Great.
It amounts to £500 million a year across every Country.
Some will lose, some will win.
France and Germany are no idiots.
They will block some Services and make a profit from it.
Are you for real Swimmy ?
What's UK net contributions (gross contributions even), 100 billion in trade, security, fishing, financial markets, education etc etc worth to 27 economies in decline ? Ever thought about what it means for the CAP with us leaving and what will happen to Ireland and France ?
12-02-2020, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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If the last MFF focused on economic growth and job creation, pray tell me why the unemployment rates of Greece, Spain, Italy and, probably, France too are so high?
According to Phil, austerity is "coming to an end". (Bit awks, cos PM Theresa May said it was already "over"). That should mean no more big cuts to public spending.
The NHS will get an extra £20.5 billion over the next 5 years. The gov is also going to spend £2 billion a year more on mental health services.
The personal allowance - how much of your income you get tax free - is going up by £700 to to £12,500 next April.
Big technology companies like Facebook, Amazon and Google are going to have to pay a new digital service tax from 2020. (We don't know how much the tax will be yet).
Anyone using a mortgage to buy a home under £500,000 won't have to pay stamp duty (a tax).
The income threshold at which you are no longer*eligible for Universal Credit (the welfare scheme that gives money to people on low incomes) is being raised to help the poorest.
The government is going to spend £30 billion fixing potholes and doing other road repairs.
12-02-2020, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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Time and again I tell you to do some research. The increase in contribution is based on gdp. So, in principle, those 5 should be able to donate that money.Research would have shown that the increase is thought necessary because of extra expenditure on climate change targets. It was bread who recently pointed out that the UK is going to invest significantly in similar targets. So the UK will face similar financial 'hardship'.
Trouble is brewing in the arena!
12-02-2020, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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Maybe it's a bit like national budgets? Take a look at UK's 2018 budget highlights. Were they all realised In 2018?According to Phil, austerity is "coming to an end". (Bit awks, cos PM Theresa May said it was already "over"). That should mean no more big cuts to public spending.
The NHS will get an extra £20.5 billion over the next 5 years. The gov is also going to spend £2 billion a year more on mental health services.
The personal allowance - how much of your income you get tax free - is going up by £700 to to £12,500 next April.
Big technology companies like Facebook, Amazon and Google are going to have to pay a new digital service tax from 2020. (We don't know how much the tax will be yet).
Anyone using a mortgage to buy a home under £500,000 won't have to pay stamp duty (a tax).
The income threshold at which you are no longer*eligible for Universal Credit (the welfare scheme that gives money to people on low incomes) is being raised to help the poorest.
The government is going to spend £30 billion fixing potholes and doing other road repairs.
12-02-2020, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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Ever thought about what it means for the CAP with us leaving and what will happen to Ireland and France ?
For the 2021-2027 period, the European Commission is proposing an ambitious total budget of €365 billion meaning that
the CAP will account for just under one-third of the total EU budget, underlining the continued importance of the policy. The CAP
budget will be divided between its two traditional ‘pillars’: direct support for farmers/market measures and rural development.
In order to allow Member States to better adapt the policy to their farming sector’s priorities, they will have the option to transfer
up to 15% of their CAP allocations between direct payments and rural development. Member States will also have the flexibility
to transfer an additional 15% from pillar 1 to pillar 2 for environmental and climate measures without co-financing.
An additional €10 billion will be available through the EU’s Horizon Europe research programme to support specific research
and innovation in food, agriculture, rural development and the bioeconomy.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publ...environment_en
12-02-2020, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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I really don't know how to respond as you haven't directly answered my question Solly. Many of the points you mention were timed to come into effect later than 2018/9. As for UCredit, how is it the Government's fault that people claiming this do not know how to budget their own finances correctly?
12-02-2020, 06:52 PM
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Re: EU Civil War - Five EU Countries Rebelling!
Originally Posted by Solasch
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If you want to know, from the mff 2021-2027:For the 2021-2027 period, the European Commission is proposing an ambitious total budget of €365 billion meaning that
the CAP will account for just under one-third of the total EU budget, underlining the continued importance of the policy. The CAP
budget will be divided between its two traditional ‘pillars’: direct support for farmers/market measures and rural development.
In order to allow Member States to better adapt the policy to their farming sector’s priorities, they will have the option to transfer
up to 15% of their CAP allocations between direct payments and rural development. Member States will also have the flexibility
to transfer an additional 15% from pillar 1 to pillar 2 for environmental and climate measures without co-financing.
An additional €10 billion will be available through the EU’s Horizon Europe research programme to support specific research
and innovation in food, agriculture, rural development and the bioeconomy.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publ...environment_en
Not us
Just watch all those countries soon fess-up about how much they have been lying about their GDP figures to avoid the crippling payments they have to make
Here comes Macedonia and Romania to the rescue .... zzzzz
12-02-2020, 07:15 PM
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With the Provisional IRA still holding effective oversight of Sinn Fein one wonders how Brussels will react if they form a Govt.The EU has sanctioned Austria, Poland and Hungary for their right wing populist Govt's.
How will it deal with the IRA in Gov't?
Solly?
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