22-11-2017, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Moscow
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Do people not realise that all the old B.S. standards for products were adopted in to EU law because British Standards were far superior to anything the EU had manage to cobble together at the time.The BSI will continue,post Brexit, to set standards here.
Our attitude to safety standards has always been high and the only issue is compliance and many countries outwith the EU manage compliance and so will we.
It seems that the EU have taken the best of what we have to offer and claimed them as their own!
22-11-2017, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry
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What a complete misinformation this thread is, and scaremongering of the highest order 
Here is a quote from my MP on the subject.....
"Essentially the Government chose to reject a very specific amendment that said we should directly transfer EU regulations on some aspects of animal welfare over to UK law, and we didn't think the specifics of the amendment were quite right so we didn't support it - however we're committed to delivering the highest animal welfare standards in Europe, and the UK has regularly lead the way in this area.
EU law is not automatically 'the best' and in this particular case our own standards are actually higher in many areas than the EU requires. So we chose not to transfer their regulations over and instead to seek to ensure we have the highest possible welfare standards ourselves.
The Government has made major policy announcements in recent months in this area, including CCTV in all slaughterhouses, ending the ivory trade, higher sentences for animal cruelty and various other plans that clearly show we are working to raise standards of animal welfare - nobody voted to say that animals can't feel pain! "
Knee jerk reaction as usual...fear mongering etc etc.
You'd think we'd be wise to it by now...
22-11-2017, 04:37 PM
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Nice to hear Barry........................but...........Theresa May has announced she hopes to bring back fox hunting.
The Conservatives will renew a pledge to hold a free vote on overturning 2004 ban on the blood sport, Ms May said.
22-11-2017, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruv
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Nice to hear Barry........................but........... Theresa May has announced she hopes to bring back fox hunting.
The Conservatives will renew a pledge to hold a free vote on overturning 2004 ban on the blood sport, Ms May said.
All of which has naff all to do with the OP.
Transferring EU Legislation on Animal Welfare would have no impact on Fox Hunting at all.
I would add, for the avoidance of doubt, that I am totally opposed to Fox Hunting.
22-11-2017, 08:26 PM
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Having read further into this bill.I've just posted this on the other thread 'Wicked' so to repeat :
As it happens the the EU protocol on animals being sentient beings allows bullfighting, veal farming, foie gras ‘production’, live exports for slaughter and cruel fur product imports. British animal welfare laws are the highest globally and on Brexit we’ll be free to strengthen them further still.
Plus EU are happy with halal without stunning..
So it could be a good thing ultimately ,as we can write our own rules and as many farmers want to opt out of live exports, where the animals are shunted from one country to another and often end up in halal abattoirs in countries where there are no animals rights, this is likely to be a godsend.
The fact that no one has concluded that animals don't have feelings, that is not what the vote was on, just shit raked and magnified by the media.
Every year, 30,000 'meat' horses leave Poland for the slaughterhouses of Italy. There is no rest, no water and no food for many on the road to misery - The same goes on all over Europe.
22-11-2017, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Puddle Duck
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Having read further into this bill. I've just posted this on the other thread 'Wicked' so to repeat :
As it happens the the EU protocol on animals being sentient beings allows bullfighting, veal farming, foie gras ‘production’, live exports for slaughter and cruel fur product imports. British animal welfare laws are the highest globally and on Brexit we’ll be free to strengthen them further still.
Plus EU are happy with halal without stunning..
So it could be a good thing ultimately ,as we can write our own rules and as many farmers want to opt out of live exports, where the animals are shunted from one country to another and often end up in halal abattoirs in countries where there are no animals rights, this is likely to be a godsend.
The fact that no one has concluded that animals don't have feelings, that is not what the vote was on, just shit raked and magnified by the media.
Every year, 30,000 'meat' horses leave Poland for the slaughterhouses of Italy. There is no rest, no water and no food for many on the road to misery - The same goes on all over Europe.
23-11-2017, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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I have always maintained that we (well most of us indigenous ones anyway) are the most civilised people in the world and superior in that respect to most of the rest of Europe.
The first animal welfare law was passed in Ireland in 1635, followed by Germany, Sweden, France.
Philosophers including Pythagoras, Voltaire, Kant and Rousseau all argued that animals were sentient and needed caring. Indigenous Brits were not at the forefront of animal welfare and the first animal welfare laws in the UK was not passed until 1822 and that only referred to cattle whereas other nations' acts in the 19th Century were more encompassing.
As for animal welfare in the EU . let's also remember the EU condones the mass culling of songbirds for the dinner table throughout Southern Europe.
23-11-2017, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Moscow
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That statement is prejudiced and can no way be measured or verified. I don't see the point of saying things like that, tbh, it's meaningless.
I exclude the Scots, of course. The English are the most civilised people on earth.
23-11-2017, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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Yes, you're right.I exclude the Scots, of course. The English are the most civilised people on earth.
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