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18-08-2017, 11:11 AM
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Re: 4 More Years Of Labour Council Cuts

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Well as we haven't ever tried what I want we will learn a lot I think.
We've tried B Liar and Brown. Now we have Corbyn and Abbott waiting in the wings.

And you want to give them another chance to ruin the country?

Unbelievable!
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18-08-2017, 11:12 AM
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I'm no fan of Diane but yes Corbyn is saying many things that give me hope. Tm said a lot I liked too but hasn't followed through.
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18-08-2017, 11:14 AM
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Re: 4 More Years Of Labour Council Cuts

Originally Posted by JBR ->
We've tried B Liar and Brown. Now we have Corbyn and Abbott waiting in the wings.

And you want to give them another chance to ruin the country?

Unbelievable!

Too bloody late!!! - the barstewards in Government have already wrecked the country.
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18-08-2017, 12:10 PM
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Too bloody late!!! - the barstewards in Government have already wrecked the country.
It will take a huge push to get people back to where they were before tories started slashing. We've lost a lot of people so far I just hope we don't lose too many more before we can turn it around.
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18-08-2017, 12:36 PM
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Really who do these Looney Labourites think they are kidding?

LABOUR wrecked this country's economy and THAT is why the subsequent government (which happens to be Tory) has had to impose austerity measures for so long.

Gordon Brown 'blunders cost every family £50,000': PM to blame for ruining the economy, say Tories

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ay-Tories.html

"The party says Mr Brown is personally responsible for a series of mistakes that have shattered the economy.

They include selling Britain's gold reserves at a record low, raiding pensions for up to £150billion, making catastrophic tax credit errors, racking up over £1trillion in debt, and giving up our EU rebate.

In total, the Tories say, the blunders - which they call 'Gordon's greatest hits' - added up to a total loss of £1,287 billion.

The sum is equivalent to £50,000 per family, or more than £3,000 for every second of every day since Labour came to power. "


NEVER EVER AGAIN !

These morons must never be allowed back into power.

Corbyn will do and say absolutely anything to get votes, he is that shameless and duplicitous imo. The switched on portion of the electorate will never forget the long term harm Labour did to this country under the watch of BLiar and Brown. The Looney party is certain to split very soon and hopefully that will be an end to it for many many years to come.
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18-08-2017, 12:41 PM
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I want to blame brown but it was a world wide problem, he couldn't really do anything to stop it. Prior governments may have changed the outcome but by time brown came on the scene it was too late.
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18-08-2017, 01:04 PM
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I want to blame brown but it was a world wide problem, he couldn't really do anything to stop it.
Hahaha that's just laughable Julie. Labour can do no wrong can they in your world!?

This article I think is attributed to The Times but I found it elsewhere on the net.

Gordon Brown's 10 worst financial gaffes

In 2006, an eloquent Gordon Brown, then Chancellor of the Exchequer said that he was "ready to make the decisions for people and to work with other people to make this country the great country it is at all times." A year later he became Prime Minister, and the rest is history.

Here is a list of Gordon's worst financial blunders, the screw-ups which have cost us all dearly and left economists, accountants and the rest of us scratching our heads in disbelief.

1. Taxing dividend payments

Before 1997, dividends issued by UK companies and paid to pension funds were tax-free - that is, the tax could be claimed back via a system of tax credits. Not any more, decided Brown. Tax relief was scrapped, reducing the amount collected by pension funds by around £5 billion a year. Pension funds holding the cash that you, me and almost everyone else in the country plan to use for our retirement have lost around £100 billion over the last 12 years. That's one hell of a stealth tax.

2. Selling our gold

In May 1999 Gordon Brown had a plan to sell some gold. There were two problems with this, which concerned his economic advisers deeply. The price of gold had slumped after a decade of stagnation, but was likely to increase in the proceeding years. Added to this, the announcement of a major sell-off would drive the price down further. Little of this worried Gordon. Experts believe that the poorly timed decision to flog our national treasure has cost us all around £3 billion. Granted, that doesn't seem much nowadays, but more of that later.

3. Tripartite financial regulation

The system of financial regulation dividing powers between the Treasury, the Bank of England and the Financial Services Authority, established by Brown as Chancellor in 2000, missed what amounted to the biggest financial crisis of our lifetime. Whoops. This has led some glass-half-empty commentators to conclude that the system set up by Brown failed and should be replaced. The Commons Treasury Select Committee’s report on the collapse of Northern Rock said that the Financial Services Authority had “systematically failed in its duty” to oversee the troubled bank’s activities. Little did it realise at the time that Northern Rock was the over-leveraged tip of the securitised iceberg.

4. Tax credits

“Gordon Brown claims the tax credits system lifts children out of poverty,” says Simon Blackmore, 38, who was pursued for £6,057 in over-paid tax credits. “Maybe it does, but only to plunge them and their families into debt two years later.” Millions of low-income families have had to pay back the Treasury after receiving too much money in tax credits, putting them under huge financial and emotional strain. Meanwhile, 40 per cent of workers and families who deserved tax credits left billions of pounds unclaimed in the 2008-09 tax year for fear of being chased for the cash later on. Introduced in 1999, reformed in 2000, tax credits have been "a complete disaster zone", according to tax experts.

5. The £10,000 corporation tax threshold

In 2002, Gordon Brown introduced a new tax regime to help small businesses. He announced a new zero per cent rate of corporation tax on profits below £10,000. It was designed to boost the ability of small businesses to grow and prosper. It didn't quite work out this way. It became advantageous for sole traders such as taxi drivers or plumbers to turn themselves into limited companies to take advantage of the new rules. A Treasury Minister later commented that "the Government did not realise how many people would engage in abusive tax avoidance", despite the fact that it was "blindingly obvious" to tax experts "within 5 seconds" of the budget announcement that this would happen. Gordon scrapped the rules a few years later, raising the rate from 0 per cent to 19 per cent when he released how much money was being lost.

6. Abolition of the 10p tax rate

Mr Brown rarely apologises. In fact, he never apologises. But occasionally he acknowledges "mistakes", albeit begrudgingly. Over the abolition of the 10p tax rate in 2007, Mr Brown told Radio 4's Today programme that "we made two mistakes. We didn't cover as well as we should that group of low-paid workers who don't get the working tax credits and we weren't able to help the 60 to 64-year-olds who didn't get the pensioner's tax allowance." Experts use stronger language to describe the Budget of 2007, which was designed to produce positive headlines for the 2p cut in income tax. Accountants calculated that the scrapping of the 10 per cent tax rate, coupled with the increase in the proportion of tax credits withdrawn from higher earners, would leave 1.8 million workers earning between £6,500 and £15,000 paying an effective tax rate of up to 70 per cent.

7. Failing to spot the housing bubble

Gordon Brown said he ended boom and bust, and in those innocent days before the collapse of the global finance system we believed him. In 1997, he outlined his plans. "Stability is necessary for our future economic success", he wisely informed an audience at the CBI. "The British economy of the future must be built not on the shifting sands of boom and bust, but on the bedrock of prudent and wise economic management." The other components of that bedrock including a trillion-pound debt mountain and a decade of unchecked and unparalleled house price inflation presumably slipped his mind. In 2003 a mild-mannered Liberal Democrat MP by the name of Vince Cable dared to question the mantra of "the end of boom and bust". He asked Gordon Brown: "Is it not true that...the growth of the British economy is sustained by consumer spending pinned against record levels of personal debt, which is secured, if at all, against house prices that the Bank of England describes as well above equilibrium level?" Gordon replied: "The Honourable Gentleman has been writing articles in the newspapers, as reflected in his contribution, that spread alarm, without substance, about the state of the economy..." We all know what happened next.

8. 50 per cent tax rate

Robert Chote, director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, has said the tax hike which heralded the end the new Labour may actually end up losing the Government money. "If you look at what happened when higher rates were last changed in the 1980s, that might lead you to suggest that such a move might actually lose you revenue, rather than gain it, as people actually declare less income for tax," he said.

9. Cutting VAT

"It would be funny if it wasn’t so serious," said a tax accountant when asked about the Brown-Darling brainwave to cut VAT by 2.5 percentage points. As a nation of shoppers, rather than shopkeepers, a chopped down sales tax sounds like a good idea, providing a vital boost to hard-pressed families at a time of financial hardship. There were two problems. It costs £12.5 billion a year and it has made little discernable difference to those hard-pressed families because it is shopkeepers, rather than shoppers, who have pocketed much of the benefit.

10. Public-sector borrowing

If Gordon had only saved a little more in the good times, we might have had a little more to fall back on in the bad, economists sigh. Last month saw public-sector net borrowing hit £19.9 billion, the highest on record, according to the Office for National Statistics. The chancellor of the exchequer, Alistair Darling, has forecast that Government borrowing will reach £175 billion this year. It is forecast that total government debt will double to 79 per cent of GDP by 2013, the highest level since World War 2. Mr Chote recently warned that "the scale of the underlying problem that the Treasury’s detailed forecasts identify will require two full parliaments of mounting austerity to repair.”
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18-08-2017, 01:24 PM
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Tories say this Tories say that, this might have happened that might have happened, nobody knows what would happen, it is all hearsay not facts.
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18-08-2017, 01:35 PM
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Tories say this Tories say that, this might have happened that might have happened, nobody knows what would happen, it is all hearsay not facts.
Absolutely agree !
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Hahaha that's just laughable Julie. Labour can do no wrong can they in your world!?
 
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