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Top bloke Cinders....
His report on the BBC and Cannabis are equally as good.

Talk about puppetry....

Sometimes my back is so sore from the incessant manipulation done by the BBC, David 'bloody' Attenborough, and this government....
His column is one of the highlights of my Sunday morning reading.
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04-10-2020, 05:12 PM
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Yes maybe we should be voting out the party we least want to see in. When we vote in a GE this is what most of us are doing anyway: we're not voting for people we love, we're voting to help prevent the ones we hate getting in.


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Only when it comes to maintenance Annie !
As in Natonal Trust?

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No that's not the case. The Queen can't sell them etc. The estates revenues were surrendered to the Treasury. The Royal ownership is just notional. We've been through this before somewhere on another thread in another era. It's a strange arrangement.
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No that's not the case. The Queen can't sell them etc. The estates revenues were surrendered to the Treasury. The Royal ownership is just notional. We've been through this before somewhere on another thread in another era. It's a strange arrangement.

But there's more than just the "Royal" estates involved. That rotten shower of parasites own vast tracts of land and great houses in their own right, acquired by scurrilous means over the years and of course free from death duties.

They should be confiscated, it's not as if the old crone and her foul brood have nowhere else to live rent free.
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The introduction of some form of proportional representation has to be #1 together with an elected second chamber at #2 then abolition of the "Royal" family and return into public ownership of the "Royal" estates in their entirety.

Next a WRITTEN constitution.

"None of the above" would make a bad situation very much worse.
I completely agree with all this, which must be a first!

The usual kneejerk objection to PR is that it always leads to coalitions. What these naysayers do not realise is the Tory and Labour Parties are both coalitions with one faction or another achieving dominance at any one time and the others either keeping shtum or causing trouble from the wings.
With PR it is the electorate who has the say not faceless power brokers with their vested interests. The outcome, I would hope, would be a government programme that roughly reflects the manifestos of the constituent parties, combined proportionately.
As for the Royal family, the class structure in this country is the barrier to progress. Would Johnson be PM now if he had not gone to Eton? Rich parents and a childhood spent incarcerated there seems to be a badge of worthiness that counts for more than ability. The greasy pole of social advancement is blocked for many people for reasons that go beyond wealth. The HoL is the governmental expression of this minority of privilege and the keystone that hold the whole sorry edifice together is the Royal family. As long as they are there, there will be no appreciable change for the better. They have to go.
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04-10-2020, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
But there's more than just the "Royal" estates involved. That rotten shower of parasites own vast tracts of land and great houses in their own right, acquired by scurrilous means over the years and of course free from death duties.

They should be confiscated, it's not as if the old crone and her foul brood have nowhere else to live rent free.
erm yes ok but that would then apply to any wealthy individuals with great houses acquired through dubious means etc. The Queen has private wealth but so do countless individuals. I never had you down as a socialist.
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Would Johnson be PM now if he had not gone to Eton? Rich parents and a childhood spent incarcerated there seems to be a badge of worthiness that counts for more than ability.
Johnson has an interesting and unconventional family history. Swiss German Turkish and English. They changed the surname to Johnson rather than using Brun or Kamal.
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05-10-2020, 09:33 AM
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erm yes ok but that would then apply to any wealthy individuals with great houses acquired through dubious means etc. The Queen has private wealth but so do countless individuals. I never had you down as a socialist.
Iconoclasm, need to destroy the old to be a part of the new order.
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05-10-2020, 10:47 AM
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Be careful what you wish for!
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05-10-2020, 11:53 AM
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erm yes ok but that would then apply to any wealthy individuals with great houses acquired through dubious means etc. The Queen has private wealth but so do countless individuals. I never had you down as a socialist.
I'm far from having any socialist leanings but in the case of the ridiculous "royal" family their wealth has not been acquired from dealings legitimate or otherwise but have been extorted from the people of Britain over countless generations and really should be confiscated no matter what form it is in and see the old crone left with nothing but one great house until she and Phil the Greek snuff it. All the rest of them should provide their own houses and pay for them themselves.

The British people have been taken for schmucks for FAR too long.
 
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