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Originally Posted by Amac ->
Nationalism is a curse whether it’s Scottish, English or American and the last thing we need with all the problems we have on this planet. Those of you anxious to see the back of us Scots should consider the successes of the Union over the past 300 years, not the least of which was successfully defeating those most extreme Nationalists, the Nazis.
Nationalism is a thing to be admired and to partake in. It is in the same category as patriotism and protection of national protection.

As for the outcome of WW2 the UK played a small part,

It was the American factories and the very brave American military supported by other nations along with the staggering loss of life suffered by the USSR that saw between 50 million to 80 million casualties from the USSR alone.
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Hi

Scotland would join the EEA, not the EU.
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14-10-2020, 03:35 PM
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I would be very surprised indeed if the EU would be interested in an independent Scotland, nor do I believe the majority of Scots would wish to re-join the EU with all it would entail.
I think you could be wrong there LT. The EU would be more than interested in Scotland as an independent nation, (I was only reading about Barnier saying something about it this week)
but the interest on their side (remember Guy Verhofstadt's ''Love Bomb'' to wee Nicola? is that Scotland would indeed be indeed useful, especially as a weapon to be used against the competitiveness and success of the rest of the UK, just as they have done so with Northern Ireland during Brexit and the trade talks..

This is not meant to demean Scotland in any way. I tend to agree with you that the majority of canny Scots, if it came to the crunch, would never vote to leave the Union.
(we all know the saga of the silent majority).
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14-10-2020, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
Nationalism is a thing to be admired and to partake in. It is in the same category as patriotism and protection of national protection.

As for the outcome of WW2 the UK played a small part,

It was the American factories and the very brave American military supported by other nations along with the staggering loss of life suffered by the USSR that saw between 50 million to 80 million casualties from the USSR alone.
I would never minimise the sacrifice made by Russia in WW2, particularly the citizens of Leningrad, but to say the UK played “a small part” is just historically incorrect.
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14-10-2020, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Amac ->
Nationalism is a curse whether it’s Scottish, English or American and the last thing we need with all the problems we have on this planet. Those of you anxious to see the back of us Scots should consider the successes of the Union over the past 300 years, not the least of which was successfully defeating those most extreme Nationalists, the Nazis.
And God bless each and every Scottish man, woman and child who were there standing side by side with us enduring those godforsaken years during WW2 fighting against such evil
Unfortunately, those comrades-in-arms times are no more. As most EU Member states can testify during the past 5 years, gratitude is very short-lived.

Having to deal with the likes of them, while at the same time, being poked incessantly by Nicola and her cohorts forever harping and whinging for independence, would be enough to make anyone living south of your border yearn for the same conclusion. Sad as that may be, It's made worse by the fact that you have far more paid out per person than the rest of the union, plus free further education, its no wonder the rest of the union are sick to death of it all and wish you would indeed gain your independence and let us have some respite from it all.

Apologies if that sounds harsh.
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Don't forget free prescriptions for all in Scotland too, SG, at a cost of £1.3Bn (2018 figures).
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14-10-2020, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

Scotland would join the EEA, not the EU.
It couldn't afford it and even if it could, what does the EEA want from Scotland ?
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14-10-2020, 04:32 PM
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I would never minimise the sacrifice made by Russia in WW2, particularly the citizens of Leningrad, but to say the UK played “a small part” is just historically incorrect.
Err, Stalingrad actually, Leningrad was primarily a siege.

As for the role that the UK played while in no way dismissing the bravery and sacrifices made by the UK armed forces the UK were by no means a major player after the surviving UK armed force personal being kicked off home with their tails between their legs after the various defeats eventually resulting in their evacuation from Dunkirk.
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14-10-2020, 04:46 PM
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Err, Stalingrad actually, Leningrad was primarily a siege.

As for the role that the UK played while in no way dismissing the bravery and sacrifices made by the UK armed forces the UK were by no means a major player after the surviving UK armed force personal being kicked off home with their tails between their legs after the various defeats eventually resulting in their evacuation from Dunkirk.
Yes Leningrad was a siege, a siege in which 0.8m people died...
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Yes Leningrad was a siege, a siege in which 0.8m people died...
Considerably fewer than Stalingrad.
 
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