30-05-2020, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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This is all down to EU countries not processing immigrants at the point they enter the EU as required by the Dublin Agreement they signed up to. The French then escort them to UK territorial waters when they become our problem and there is nothing we can do about it until we tear up the withdrawal agreement. Unfortunately the ECJ governance is still part of the withdrawal agreement and we need to expell them through that court . It costs millions and millions per person with no guarantee it will be successful, with long delays taking years to do and by that time they have kids here and are married. Even if we do expel them, they come back 3 months later and the whole thing repeats itself.
But, don't worry you can always elect another government in our country every 4 years. You can't do that in the EU, you are just given a new, crazier communist leader instead
What we should do immediately is to realistically patrol the Channel and, as soon as they enter our waters, turn them around and ensure they do not complete their journey. Either go back to France or stay where you are. Our patrol vessels can do the same thing after December when the Frog fishermen attempt to come and steal our fish.
We must also play the same game as the Frogs are playing. Make this country as unpalatable to them as we possibly can. I don't need to explain how to do that, as I have stated several times before the steps we could take. The locusts then have the choice of hiding away in this country, completely unsupported, or making their way back to France, or other EU countries, where they may find a more welcoming environment.
Neither of the above are going to happen, of course for two reasons: our inept government, and the anti-British elements of our administrative organisations, all of whom seem to actually wish this country to be overrun, presumably for the satisfaction of their strange consciences.
30-05-2020, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Reading your posts JBR, I think you probably voted for Boris becauseyou were unable to vote for Nigel at the time?
I was in the same predicament myself, but having said that l think
that so far on the brexit tront Boris has done better than l expected,
allthough l still dont entirely trust him yet? The big test is just about
to take place imo when and if Boris and Barnier kmeet in July!
I dont think Boris should meet Barny alone, but should allways
be accompanied by David Frost, who, imo, is the real deal when
it comes to negotiations and is the one responsible for getting us
this far?
Once we are completely out we can then concentrate on restructuring
our institutions and civil service??
However, things are changing. The Loony Party is becoming even more of a joke and, consequently, losing more and more of their support.
What I hope might happen is that the Loonies might dwindle to equal the standing of the Limp Dems. We would then need a working opposition, and who better than the recently renamed Reform Party.
Two generally right-wing or middle of the road parties forming the government and the opposition would give us something we haven't had for as long as I have been alive: a much more likely situation of government and opposition agreeing to work together for the common good.
With Nigel's influence, there would be far more likelihood of achieving things that the majority of the electorate want: dissolution of the Lords, cessation of the existing pendulum politics of spend and borrow - save and restore our wealth, and especially a complete escape of EU rule, assuming that still has not been achieved.
The matter is, ultimately, all down to us, the voters.
30-05-2020, 01:13 PM
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[QUOTE=JBR;1910603]Yes, you're right. I would have wanted to vote for Farage, but I can see the reason why he stood down. He would have split the Brexit vote and possibly handed government to Compo. That would have been unthinkable.However, things are changing. The Loony Party is becoming even more of a joke and, consequently, losing more and more of their support.
What I hope might happen is that the Loonies might dwindle to equal the standing of the Limp Dems. We would then need a working opposition, and who better than the recently renamed Reform Party.
Two generally right-wing or middle of the road parties forming the government and the opposition would give us something we haven't had for as long as I have been alive: a much more likely situation of government and opposition agreeing to work together for the common good.
With Nigel's influence, there would be far more likelihood of achieving things that the majority of the electorate want: dissolution of the Lords, cessation of the existing pendulum politics of spend and borrow - save and restore our wealth, and especially a complete escape of EU rule, assuming that still has not been achieved.
The matter is, ultimately, all down to us, the voters.[/QUOTE]
Who have to wait fot four years, suffering austerity.
By the way, how are those 40 trade agreements doing, that barclay promised to conclude directly after 31 januari? No countries interested in trading with the UK?
30-05-2020, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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Back on topic again, and I read about this days ago. It is still going on.Now, who should we blame?
Well, firstly I'd blame the Frogs. It has now been proved that they are encouraging and escorting illegal immigrants as far as our waters. The fact that we agreed to pay them millions not to do this seems irrelevant to them, but then they are our traditional enemy and we should know better than to ever trust them.
But, as must now be clear, we are at least as responsible as the Frogs. Our glorious Border Farce provides a free taxi service for them as soon as they enter our waters, rather then turning them around and sending them back. Then, as has been mentioned, even when they arrive here we could send them straight back to France as there is a legal agreement to do that. Instead, we give them more benefits that we give some of our own ex-soldiers living on the streets.
So who is responsible for this ongoing destruction of our once-proud country?
Yes. None of this would happen if our so-called leaders actually led the country for OUR benefit rather than the entire third world and the lying Frogs.
And to think that I voted for Boris, thinking he was the ideal answer to his treacherous predecessor.
They should be rounded up mid-channel and taken directly back to France - traffickers and other would-be illegals will soon get the message.
30-05-2020, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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That is nonsensical, and using an EU court to try to protect our country must be like pissing into the wind. We surely know by now that they are no friends of ours.What we should do immediately is to realistically patrol the Channel and, as soon as they enter our waters, turn them around and ensure they do not complete their journey. Either go back to France or stay where you are. Our patrol vessels can do the same thing after December when the Frog fishermen attempt to come and steal our fish.
We must also play the same game as the Frogs are playing. Make this country as unpalatable to them as we possibly can. I don't need to explain how to do that, as I have stated several times before the steps we could take. The locusts then have the choice of hiding away in this country, completely unsupported, or making their way back to France, or other EU countries, where they may find a more welcoming environment.
Neither of the above are going to happen, of course for two reasons: our inept government, and the anti-British elements of our administrative organisations, all of whom seem to actually wish this country to be overrun, presumably for the satisfaction of their strange consciences.
Originally Posted by Judd
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The trouble is, is that they threaten to throw any children overboard or jump into the sea themselves prompting their rescue. They wait until they are in British waters to do this of course.They should be rounded up mid-channel and taken directly back to France - traffickers and other would-be illegals will soon get the message.
30-05-2020, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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You've forgotten the bleeding heart liberals, do-gooders, and sundry other members of the champagne swilling chattering classes.Have we called their bluff? No? Didn't think so.
reform our tardy civil service juddy
To remove these blockages that are frustrating any efforts we make
to end this migrant scandal??
Donkeyman! 😬😬
30-05-2020, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Judd
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The trouble is, is that they threaten to throw any children overboard or jump into the sea themselves prompting their rescue. They wait until they are in British waters to do this of course.They should be rounded up mid-channel and taken directly back to France - traffickers and other would-be illegals will soon get the message.
Personally, if the locusts want to go for a swim, let them. We have no right to stop them.
Of course, the do-gooders would have a fit, so the only practical option remaining to us is to deter them from setting off towards our shores. As I have said before, simply make this country particularly unattractive to them. Make our country a nightmare for them compared to France.
30-05-2020, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Thats why we must get brexit done(to coin a phrase) and thenreform our tardy civil service juddy
To remove these blockages that are frustrating any efforts we make
to end this migrant scandal??
30-05-2020, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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Unfortunately, as SF says, once we have left the EU we have no rights to send them back to France, or so I understand it.
Once we are out we CAN make it so that we can prevent the
froggies from encouraging illegal migration and people
smuggling, which is an offence in international law by the way!!
Donkeyman! 😇😇
30-05-2020, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Swimmies a lovely bloke, but he does talk crap occasionally JBR!Once we are out we CAN make it so that we can prevent the
froggies from encouraging illegal migration and people
smuggling, which is an offence in international law by the way!!
Donkeyman! 😇😇
We can't send immigrants back because we are bound to the withdrawal agreement. When that no longer applies we can do whatever we like.
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