17-05-2020, 12:48 AM
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Re: Just Wait a Couple of Weeks ...
Originally Posted by Bread
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We wouldnt release draft legal texts anyway because they are drafts, not final, for review etc
17-05-2020, 12:52 AM
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Re: Just Wait a Couple of Weeks ...
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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The reason uk is going to publish the british proposals Solly, isbecause the commission would not sharethem with the member
states for reasons of their own? So meneer Frost thought it
would be a good idea if the member states new what was being
on offered by uk, thus bypassing the politically motivated
commissioners!
Great idea l think? If Frosty had been on our team earlier it would
have been done and dusted long ago!!
Donkeyman! 🤔🤔
17-05-2020, 09:37 AM
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Re: Just Wait a Couple of Weeks ...
Originally Posted by Solasch
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It was master frost who demanded the british text not being shared. I wonder why not then, and why now?
To show the millions of businesses in the EU what a complete clown barnier is. Because he hasn't discussed our trading proposals and instead talked about stuff nobody in the world wants.
Thats why
17-05-2020, 01:35 PM
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Re: Just Wait a Couple of Weeks ...
Originally Posted by Bread
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To show the millions of businesses in the EU what a complete clown barnier is. Because he hasn't discussed our trading proposals and instead talked about stuff nobody in the world wants.Thats why
17-05-2020, 01:41 PM
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Re: Just Wait a Couple of Weeks ...
Originally Posted by Solasch
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You still don't understand the position your little island is in when "negotiating" with mother EU.
We understand perfectly. We want a simple trade deal like the one the EU has with Canada - the one offered to us before, but the EU has gone back on its word and changed its mind.
Looks like the purity if the EU project is more important than the people within it. It might explain why 2/3 of Barniers negotiating team is dedicated to everything except trade, even though these are supposed to be trade negotiations.
What have you achieved so far ?
17-05-2020, 02:00 PM
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Re: Just Wait a Couple of Weeks ...
Originally Posted by Bread
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We understand perfectly. We want a simple trade deal like the one the EU has with Canada - the one offered to us before, but the EU has gone back on its word and changed its mind.Looks like the purity if the EU project is more important than the people within it. It might explain why 2/3 of Barniers negotiating team is dedicated to everything except trade, even though these are supposed to be trade negotiations.
What have you achieved so far ?
Just so you know, the withdrawal agreement's title (remember the WA?) states in the title on leaving the union and euratom. Ever considered what that could mean
Take a look at article 8 of the WA and you understand why it is that the UK wants to negotiate on more than trade.
Unless otherwise provided in this Agreement, at the end of the transition period the United
Kingdom shall cease to be entitled to access any network, any information system and any database
established on the basis of Union law. The United Kingdom shall take appropriate measures to
ensure that it does not access a network, information system or database which it is no longer
entitled to access.
17-05-2020, 02:18 PM
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Re: Just Wait a Couple of Weeks ...
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Wow! You really don't understand what is going on?Just so you know, the withdrawal agreement's title (remember the WA?) states in the title on leaving the union and euratom. Ever considered what that could mean
Take a look at article 8 of the WA and you understand why it is that the UK wants to negotiate on more than trade.
Unless otherwise provided in this Agreement, at the end of the transition period the United
Kingdom shall cease to be entitled to access any network, any information system and any database
established on the basis of Union law. The United Kingdom shall take appropriate measures to
ensure that it does not access a network, information system or database which it is no longer
entitled to access.
The WA is in place so that the status quo is maintained while we negotiate the future trading relationship with the EU.
According to paragraph 2 of A50 the EU is bound by law to provide details of the future trading relationship too. Its breaking its own laws and delivering nothing.
If you can't answer my questions just say so Solasch.
What has Barnier achieved - you said he was doing a great job, so what's he achieved so far ?
17-05-2020, 02:48 PM
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Re: Just Wait a Couple of Weeks ...
Originally Posted by Bread
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The WA is in place so that the status quo is maintained while we negotiate the future trading relationship with the EU.According to paragraph 2 of A50 the EU is bound by law to provide details of the future trading relationship too. Its breaking its own laws and delivering nothing.
If you can't answer my questions just say so Solasch.
What has Barnier achieved - you said he was doing a great job, so what's he achieved so far ?
What barnier achieved? He didn't give in a centimeter to those bullying brits.
Talking of centimeter. Will the UK post brexit revert to their ancient measurements in inches, fahrenheit and shillings?
17-05-2020, 03:19 PM
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Re: Just Wait a Couple of Weeks ...
Originally Posted by Solasch
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The WA kicks you out of the EU. The implementation period was meant for you to adapt. Ho, ho, ha, ha. British and adapt? Even you can't make that up.What barnier achieved? He didn't give in a centimeter to those bullying brits.
Talking of centimeter. Will the UK post brexit revert to their ancient measurements in inches, fahrenheit and shillings?
The WA doesn't kick us out if the EU at all. We left under the terms of Article 50.
So you admit, Barnier delivered nothing
We can do whatever we want from January 2021 because we are a sovereign, independent nation. You can't because you are not.
17-05-2020, 03:45 PM
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Re: Just Wait a Couple of Weeks ...
Originally Posted by Bread
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The WA doesn't kick us out if the EU at all. We left under the terms of Article 50.So you admit, Barnier delivered nothing
We can do whatever we want from January 2021 because we are a sovereign, independent nation. You can't because you are not.
Your observations are quite correct. Barnier tells the UK what is on offer. As in the last four years, the UK (again) wants the best of two worlds (not to use the term cherry picking). They want something what is not on offer. It's so difficult, handling an obstinate child, but barnier is making a good job of it.
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