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20-08-2019, 09:56 PM
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Re: High Time For A Reform Act To Control Our MPs.

Originally Posted by Banchory ->
And no individual is obligated to agree with that decision just as many years earlier eurosceptics were not obligated to agree with the decision to join the EEC
But they did not set constitutional booby traps or seek to
disrupt or delay neccassary legislation or misconstrue our
archaic ambiguous parliamentary rules!
They moaned, yes, but got on with the job, Banchory!

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20-08-2019, 10:38 PM
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Re: High Time For A Reform Act To Control Our MPs.

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
But they did not set constitutional booby traps or seek to
disrupt or delay neccassary legislation or misconstrue our
archaic ambiguous parliamentary rules!
They moaned, yes, but got on with the job, Banchory!

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Well that is re-writing history
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20-08-2019, 11:06 PM
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Re: High Time For A Reform Act To Control Our MPs.

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
But they did not set constitutional booby traps or seek to
disrupt or delay neccassary legislation or misconstrue our
archaic ambiguous parliamentary rules!
They moaned, yes, but got on with the job, Banchory!

Regards Donkeyman!
The Tories installed TM to deliver Brexit and it was the ERG as well as those opposed to leaving who kept on voting not to accept the deal on the table. Those who were anti Brexit held the government to account and it was clear there was no majority for any path

Eurosceptics in the main parties have been niggling away for years undermining our participation in the EU, leaving us on the fringes and not deriving the full benefits of membership.

We now have the most incompetent Prime Minister in all our history who is willing to risk the Union and constitution for the sake of Brexit and his own ego
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20-08-2019, 11:26 PM
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Re: High Time For A Reform Act To Control Our MPs.

Originally Posted by Banchory ->
The Tories installed TM to deliver Brexit and it was the ERG as well as those opposed to leaving who kept on voting not to accept the deal on the table. Those who were anti Brexit held the government to account and it was clear there was no majority for any path

Eurosceptics in the main parties have been niggling away for years undermining our participation in the EU, leaving us on the fringes and not deriving the full benefits of membership.

We now have the most incompetent Prime Minister in all our history who is willing to risk the Union and constitution for the sake of Brexit and his own ego

I think you will find that at this point under labour there were war crimes and a run on the banks.

Dream on lightweight
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21-08-2019, 05:47 AM
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Re: High Time For A Reform Act To Control Our MPs.

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I think you will find that at this point under labour there were war crimes and a run on the banks.

Dream on lightweight
In 2008 there was a run on a small bank, Northern rock, that was caused by the BBC reporting on the Bank of England providing an emergency loan to Northern Rock due to their exposure to American sub prime mortgage debt.

But you have stated a run on the Banks. So what other UK banks was there a run on and why would it be the fault of the incumbent Prime Minister?

So what war crimes are you referring to. If it is pertaining to the war with Iraq than the high court determined that there was no case to answer with regards to the then PM. Are you saying you know better than the high court?
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21-08-2019, 06:01 AM
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Re: High Time For A Reform Act To Control Our MPs.

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Disagree all you like. Eurosceptics didn't exist when we joined the common market
Whilst the term eurosceptic was coined at a later date there was opposition to our membership of the EEC from when we first joined which is one of the key reasons behind the 1975 referendum.
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21-08-2019, 06:22 AM
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Re: High Time For A Reform Act To Control Our MPs.

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Exactly , it was a majority vote to leave and as such every MP remain or leave should have carried out the wish of the majority otherwise what was the point of having a referendum in the first place .
That might be so if the bill that enshrined the referendum in law had deemed the result to be mandatory and not advisory.

But it didn’t and there is nothing that legally obligates MP’s to do enact its result although the government must take it into consideration.

There is of course the moral argument but morals seem to have little place in politics

However notwithstanding the above parliament voted to trigger Article 50 and TM came back with the best deal the EU were going to offer and remainers and leavers alike rejected it

That the implications around the GFA had been totally overlooked is not a minor issue and if the government were serious about leaving they would be throwing vast sums of money at it to find a solution as it also affects the trade deal the so desperately want with the USA
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21-08-2019, 08:07 AM
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Re: High Time For A Reform Act To Control Our MPs.

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Whilst the term eurosceptic was coined at a later date there was opposition to our membership of the EEC from when we first joined which is one of the key reasons behind the 1975 referendum.

Ofcourse there were but they weren't eurosceptics at that point. The EU didn't exist until about 1993.

The 1975 referendum was on continuing membership of the common market and in that referendum the country was in favour of remaining in it.

The 2016 referendum was when we voted to do the opposite
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21-08-2019, 08:17 AM
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To those people who indulge in wishful thinking that the referendum was 'advisory' take note....

David Cameron warned Britain that a decision to leave the EU cannot be reversed as he outlined his demands for renegotiation.

"If we vote to leave, we will leave - there will not be another renegotiation or referendum," the prime minister said in a speech at Chatham House.

Mr Cameron said the in-out referendum vote will be the "most important that the British people will take at the ballot box in their lifetime"
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“It will be your decision whether to remain in the EU on the basis of the reforms we secure, or whether we leave.

“Your decision. Nobody else’s. Not politicians’, not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’. Not mine. Just you. You, the British people, will decide.

“At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands. This is a huge decision for our country, perhaps the biggest we will make in our lifetimes. And it will be the final decision.

“So to those who suggest that a decision in the referendum to leave would merely produce another stronger renegotiation and then a second referendum in which Britain would stay, I say think again.
David Cameron....

The word Leave means leave .....

For those who do not understand the meaning of the word leave here is the dictionary definition...

If you leave an institution, group, or job, you permanently stop attending that institution, being a member of that group, or doing that job.
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21-08-2019, 08:20 AM
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Re: High Time For A Reform Act To Control Our MPs.

Originally Posted by Banchory ->
That might be so if the bill that enshrined the referendum in law had deemed the result to be mandatory and not advisory.

But it didn’t and there is nothing that legally obligates MP’s to do enact its result although the government must take it into consideration.

There is of course the moral argument but morals seem to have little place in politics

However notwithstanding the above parliament voted to trigger Article 50 and TM came back with the best deal the EU were going to offer and remainers and leavers alike rejected it

That the implications around the GFA had been totally overlooked is not a minor issue and if the government were serious about leaving they would be throwing vast sums of money at it to find a solution as it also affects the trade deal the so desperately want with the USA

The legal status of the referendum would not have changed the result and besides, the Government said it would implement what the people decide.

Your confusing a referendum with a survey.
 
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