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09-01-2021, 01:26 PM
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Doesn't yeast continue fermenting in the gut?
Plenty of wind from both ends.....
I just don't get it. When yeast cells reach 130-140 F they die. So, I don't see how dead cells can ferment.

If I have some strange bacterial infection, I think that the bacteria can ferment nearly anything.
Even plain boiled potatoes, plus bacteria, can ferment, as in whiskey.
heaven knows I produce MASSIVE amounts of flatulence.
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09-01-2021, 01:35 PM
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That's why I said ask for a referall to a Nutritionist or Dietician.
My clinic is requiring that I do as much as possible via clinic emails. I have sent in a request to see a nutritionist/dietician.
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09-01-2021, 01:36 PM
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Sorry it's so long... but hope to give some insight for you to take on board.

Bakerman, I think you need to knuckle down with regard to possible allergies/food intolerances if the medics have found nothing wrong with your gut. It's up to you if you DIY or seek out specialists in that field.

I suffer with allergies to various things and also food intolerances - nothing life threatening, just inconvenient and unpleasant sometimes. Bloating, diarrhoea, rhinitis, sinusitis, migraines, facial swellings especially around the eyes, rashes over my body, mood changes... so much more. It's 2021 now, so that's 50yrs of playing with trying to control it all (or not at the moment). Sometimes I'm prepared to eat something that gives me problems just for the enjoyment of the food and to hell with the consequences.

You're in a far better position now, with the days of the internet for research purposes, than I ever was in the 70s when there wasn't that facility. Also in those days alternative ingredients were very hard to come by whereas today it's easy peasy. You have no excuses, so get on it if you can be bothered - it's your decision.

A particular book that was a godsend for me is 'The Allergy Diet and how to overcome your food intolerance'. Written by John Hunter, Consultant Physician and his team at the Gastroenterology Unit, Addenbrooke's Hospital Cambridge. He's a recognised authority on the subject of food allergy/intolerances and gut diseases. It's dated 1984 and I know it's been updated since then. It takes you through everything ie the exclusion diet, reintroducing foods and includes various recipes for those with intolerances to particular foods. What his updated version includes I've no idea, but it has to better and more informed than my copy from the 80s.
I've spotted too that he's also written a book specifically for IBS. Goes without saying that nutritional needs are taken into account with these sorts of books, so no worries about starving your body of what it needs.

I've included a mishmash from that book here:

Treatment by diet seems to be the far best way to calm an irritable bowel. It's not easy and time consuming. Problems vary from person to person and discovering the true culprits can be very time consuming and difficult.
Excluding food may be hard to start with but the test period is relatively short ie 2 weeks.

ANY food/foodstuffs can produce symptoms, although some do it more frequently than others ie Cereals (wheat, corn, oats, rye, barley, rice), Dairy, Eggs, Fish, Meat, Fruit, Veg, tea, coffee, nuts, chocolate, preservatives, yeast, sugar cane, sugar beet, alcohol, saccharin, honey. Then there's food additives, preservatives, colourings - even some medicines.

Some foods contain salicylates which are natural chemicals similar to aspirin. Foods containing salicylates may also cause symptoms ie apples, bananas, blueberries, beer, cider, grapes, liquorice, peas, plums, prunes, red wine, rhubarb, strawberries.

An exclusion diet is usually for 2 weeks. THREE DAYS BEFORE STARTING THE DIET you must record all the symptoms you have had and when, to help judge the value of the diet later on.

You should find you steadily improve during the 2nd week. Any unexpected setbacks at this time will probably be caused by one of the foods eaten in the previous 24hrs.
If after 2 weeks your symptoms haven't improved, it is likely food intolerance is not the cause of your problems.

Reintroducing foods:

How you begin reintroducing foods depends on which condition you have. For IBS it's believed that ONE FOOD should be reintroduced every 2 DAYS.

There's a set number of foods to reintroduce and the order of those foods. Some foods are made up of more than one ingredient for example in bread and wine. Test the ingredient concerned before trying the food ie test yeast before bread or wine otherwise if a reaction occurs, you will not know which ingredient caused it.

Flush out the chemicals in your system produced by the food reaction by drinking plenty of water. Some people find that adding a little bicarb of soda increases the effectiveness of this. Don't take pills to relieve any symptoms as they confuses matters. Aspirin and paracetamol contain wheat and corn starches.

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Basically, you need to do an Exclusion Diet for 2 weeks, then reintroduce foods over periods of time recording what you eat and how it affects you. It takes 2/3mths to find what might be affecting you.

Regarding probiotics, they've really helped my guts. Incidentally, stress and how it affects our bodies can also play a part in gut health.

Hope this is of some help 'cos it took a bloody long time to check my books and put it all down for you
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09-01-2021, 01:48 PM
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Very interesting piece Pesta. Thanks for taking the time to post it...
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09-01-2021, 02:15 PM
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Very interesting piece Pesta. Thanks for taking the time to post it...
And thank you for taking the time to thank me FoxyLoxy
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09-01-2021, 02:20 PM
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Re: A cure for sibo ????

thank you, Pesta. I really appreciate all the trouble you went to to write up that fine bit of advise.

I wonder if it is possible to suddenly develop a food allergy that has never given me a problem in the past ???
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09-01-2021, 02:54 PM
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thank you, Pesta. I really appreciate all the trouble you went to to write up that fine bit of advise.

I wonder if it is possible to suddenly develop a food allergy that has never given me a problem in the past ???

Thank you Bakerman and yes most definitely so. That's how it all begins.

I've rationalised it over the years. It's in my family as far back as my grandfather being allergic to eggs which started when he was a young adult.

Over the years too many additives have been added to foods, 'hybrid foods', pollution, the list is endless.

Nothing is 'clean food' any more in my view and it will only get worse over the years to come with more people being allergic/sensitive to foodstuffs simply because it's full of crap.
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09-01-2021, 03:03 PM
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Re: A cure for sibo ????

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I have been suffering from some unknown ailment of the bowels. My Dr. can only give it a possible name of irritable bowel syndrome-diarrhea. That is a name which means absolutely nothing. He told me there are well in excess of several thousand possible causes for IBS-D. This disease has gotten progressively worse over the last 9 years. It is now out of control. Not a day passes when I don't rush to the bathroom 16-20 times /day.

My Dr is always delighted to perform ultra expensive tests : like a camera up the bum and camera in to the stomach, etc. . However, when I ask about diet, he gets a blank look on his face as if I'm asking about some voodoo diet.

No Dr. that I'm aware of is doing face to face visits. My G.I. Dr once mentioned a possible bacterial over-growth in the small intestine (SIBO), but he did not pursue that idea.

There are some people, on the www who suggest that a vegan diet MIGHT help. Horror of horrors. As a cook, that would be a fate worse than death.

I looked up exactly what a vegan diet is and I was appalled. I didn't recognize more than two items on that list.

Has anyone suffered from IBS-D, and if so, were you able to have any positive impact on it ???? If yes, how … specifically?



I suffered with IBS..I had the camera up my rectum...it was stress related...I overcame my stress, and haven’t suffered with it for yrs.
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09-01-2021, 05:59 PM
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Re: A cure for sibo ????

Originally Posted by Pesta ->

Over the years too many additives have been added to foods, 'hybrid foods', pollution, the list is endless.

Nothing is 'clean food' any more in my view and it will only get worse over the years to come with more people being allergic/sensitive to foodstuffs simply because it's full of crap.
Yes, I agree. It could be almost anything. However, I'm mighty curious about why, as soon as I moved from The Philippines, to Mexico, it started. Of course, that could be just a coincidence. Queer, none the less.
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How are you doing Bakerman .
Started that nice bland diet yet ?
 
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