17-12-2020, 02:13 PM
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Re: Already seeing the benefits of Brexit
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiI voted Leave simply because further Integration is not for me.
I have been clear on previous Posts about what I wanted from Brexit.
The same seal as Norway.
Keep in the single Market and Customs Union.
Do not forget, Maggie was a great believer in both.
The prob;em is that since she was kicked out our Governments have let the EU run all over us.
I am not in an alternate reality.
The reality is that the single market trades largely with itself.
In the event of No Deal 14% of EU Trade is affected as against 40% of our Trade.
The EU is very good at looking after itself.
It will not miss a trick.
Demand from the rest of the world is (unlike the EU) growing and as a result the economies of the rest of the world continues to grow far, far faster than that of the EU.
The EU's protectionism will be their undoing .............. if the process has not already begun.
Ah, so you don't really want the UK to be free of the UK then?
Now I understand your displeasure.
Even Norwegians grow increasingly discontented with the EU, or had you not noticed?
Norwegians recognise what a bad deal they have with the EU.
Norwegians accept that the price of partial membership is far too high.
That was bound to be the case when - after refusing to join the EU - Norwegians slowly began to learn what the disadvantages of being tied to the EU would mean to them and to their pockets.
So much so that it looks like Norway's Center Party now looks likely to win next year's September elections; these are a party that are so EUrosceptic that they want a Canada-type free trade deal rather than be tied to the EU as they are now.
Seeing how the EU has tried to bully the UK seems to have been counter-productive for the EU there.
Yet you want Norway's type of arrangement, when even Norwegians don't?
That, quite simply, is ridiculous.
It is also (as I'm sure you know) not the sort of Brexit that any logical person could condone, since it still cedes far too much power to the EU.
Nobody cares what Maggie thought.
Or Churchill, or anybody else from decades ago when both the world and Europe were very different places.
And you can forget using diversionary tactics like percentages; talk hard cash,actual countries and people if you want to be realistic.
£90 billion per year surplus the Union has in trade with the UK; that's a heck of a lot of people in lots of countries who will suffer if the EU continue playing silly beggars.
A heck of a lot, and far far more people than will be affected here since only between 5% and 8% of UK companies export anything to the EU since you like percentages.
That ignores the major difference; the real reason why the UK has a far better chance than the EU of coping with change admirably well:
The UK can buy and sell to and from who it wants to, anywhere in the world.
Spanish oranges?
Israeli & South African for example instead - cheaper than the EU's price-protected Spanish ones too.
German cars?
Korean or Japanese instead - more reliable as well as being frequently cheaper too.
The list could be very long if you want it to.
So as far as I and many other British people are concerned (indeed a majority if two different elections are anything to go by) you can keep your idea of remaining tied to the EU and paying for the supposed privilege.
We don't want it.
We didn't want it when we were asked about joining the EEC; we wanted a trading club, not a federalist union that makes you pay billions to get, as exchange, a huge defecit in trade.
Then the very first time we were asked, we said "no thanks".
If now we walk away without a trade deal it is purely because the EU will not allow it.
They will allow lots of other countries to negotiate a trade deal without ceding sovereignty, including Japan and Canada - but not the UK.
Even though we are their largest single export market.
That itself surely tells you all you need to know about just how protectionist the EU really are.
17-12-2020, 04:15 PM
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Re: Already seeing the benefits of Brexit
Originally Posted by Zaphod
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The biggest trick the EU constantly misses is the one I highlight above.Demand from the rest of the world is (unlike the EU) growing and as a result the economies of the rest of the world continues to grow far, far faster than that of the EU.
The EU's protectionism will be their undoing .............. if the process has not already begun.
Ah, so you don't really want the UK to be free of the UK then?
Now I understand your displeasure.
Even Norwegians grow increasingly discontented with the EU, or had you not noticed?
Norwegians recognise what a bad deal they have with the EU.
Norwegians accept that the price of partial membership is far too high.
That was bound to be the case when - after refusing to join the EU - Norwegians slowly began to learn what the disadvantages of being tied to the EU would mean to them and to their pockets.
So much so that it looks like Norway's Center Party now looks likely to win next year's September elections; these are a party that are so EUrosceptic that they want a Canada-type free trade deal rather than be tied to the EU as they are now.
Seeing how the EU has tried to bully the UK seems to have been counter-productive for the EU there.
Yet you want Norway's type of arrangement, when even Norwegians don't?
That, quite simply, is ridiculous.
It is also (as I'm sure you know) not the sort of Brexit that any logical person could condone, since it still cedes far too much power to the EU.
Nobody cares what Maggie thought.
Or Churchill, or anybody else from decades ago when both the world and Europe were very different places.
And you can forget using diversionary tactics like percentages; talk hard cash,actual countries and people if you want to be realistic.
£90 billion per year surplus the Union has in trade with the UK; that's a heck of a lot of people in lots of countries who will suffer if the EU continue playing silly beggars.
A heck of a lot, and far far more people than will be affected here since only between 5% and 8% of UK companies export anything to the EU since you like percentages.
That ignores the major difference; the real reason why the UK has a far better chance than the EU of coping with change admirably well:
The UK can buy and sell to and from who it wants to, anywhere in the world.
Spanish oranges?
Israeli & South African for example instead - cheaper than the EU's price-protected Spanish ones too.
German cars?
Korean or Japanese instead - more reliable as well as being frequently cheaper too.
The list could be very long if you want it to.
So as far as I and many other British people are concerned (indeed a majority if two different elections are anything to go by) you can keep your idea of remaining tied to the EU and paying for the supposed privilege.
We don't want it.
We didn't want it when we were asked about joining the EEC; we wanted a trading club, not a federalist union that makes you pay billions to get, as exchange, a huge defecit in trade.
Then the very first time we were asked, we said "no thanks".
If now we walk away without a trade deal it is purely because the EU will not allow it.
They will allow lots of other countries to negotiate a trade deal without ceding sovereignty, including Japan and Canada - but not the UK.
Even though we are their largest single export market.
That itself surely tells you all you need to know about just how protectionist the EU really are.
17-12-2020, 04:16 PM
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Re: Already seeing the benefits of Brexit
Oh dear ... you really, couldn't make this uphttps://order-order.com/2020/12/17/e...-earlier-deal/
17-12-2020, 04:24 PM
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Re: Already seeing the benefits of Brexit
Originally Posted by Bread
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Oh dear ... you really, couldn't make this uphttps://order-order.com/2020/12/17/e...-earlier-deal/
17-12-2020, 04:44 PM
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Re: Already seeing the benefits of Brexit
Originally Posted by JBR
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Can't read it. Could you provide a precis?
The EU Scrambles to Buy Pfizer Vaccine After Declining Earlier Deal
The EU has decided to buy up to 100 million more doses of Pfizer and BioNTech’s COVID-19 vaccine after turning down an opportunity in July for a much bigger deal for 500 million doses, according to EU officials and an internal document seen by Reuters. Panicking European Commission officials are now racing to reverse that calamitous decision.
Unexpected delays in clinical trials are forcing the EU to rely on shots from Pfizer/BioNTech, the first Covid-19 vaccine to be approved in Britain and subsequently the US, which frustratingly for EU states still has not been approved in the EU. Even so the European Commission decided yesterday to buy up to 100 million additional doses. The virus has already killed 470,000 Europeans.
The British media was quick to criticise Kate Bingham‘s nimble procurement efforts and keen to allege conflicts of interest arising from her industry experience. In retrospect she did a brilliant job. Yet not a word has Guido seen in the British press about the lives lost as a result of the complete shambles that has been EU procurement, of first PPE and now vaccines…
17-12-2020, 05:12 PM
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Re: Already seeing the benefits of Brexit
I hope Pfizer isn't giving the EU the 100m shots of vaccine at the same price deal as it was offering the 500m shots for and was turned down. Now's the chance for Pfizer to say "OK here's a new deal chaps. You can have the extra shots but the new price will be ..."17-12-2020, 05:18 PM
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Re: Already seeing the benefits of Brexit
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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I hope Pfizer isn't giving the EU the 100m shots of vaccine at the same price deal as it was offering the 500m shots for and was turned down. Now's the chance for Pfizer to say "OK here's a new deal chaps. You can have the extra shots but the new price will be ..."
Pretty disgusting really.
Edit ... and now they wait even longer so the EU can "have their moment"....
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...istmas-rollout
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