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Spain v Gibraltar

Gibraltar, like the UK, is outside the Schengen Area. All people crossing the border to/from Spain have therefore always been required to go through British and Spanish border controls. 10,000 people living in La Línea, in Spain, cross the border every day to work in Gibraltar. La Línea has an unemployment rate of 35% whereas Gibraltar has a 1% unemployment rate.

Doesn't this show the desperate situation the EU is in, and this is just one example. Say no more
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01-02-2020, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by realspeed ->
Gibraltar, like the UK, is outside the Schengen Area. All people crossing the border to/from Spain have therefore always been required to go through British and Spanish border controls. 10,000 people living in La Línea, in Spain, cross the border every day to work in Gibraltar. La Línea has an unemployment rate of 35% whereas Gibraltar has a 1% unemployment rate.

Doesn't this show the desperate situation the EU is in, and this is just one example. Say no more
And if those 10.000 are not able to perform those jobs in gebraltar, who will in their place?

The Chief of Gibraltar, the 6.2 km2 enclave at the southern end of the Iberian Peninsula, Fabian Picardo, wants to join the Schengen Area in a post-Brexit Europe. However, the UK is not ready to let something like that happen.
In an interview last Friday, Picardo said that it would be positive for Gibraltar to join the Schengen Area, as nearly 14,000 workers cross the border every day to go to work in Gibraltar where full employment prevails.The vast majority of these workers are Spanish or nationals of other countries residing in Spain, including 2,500 Britons.
“Does it make sense to the EU that 2.5 square miles at the southern tip of the peninsula is not accessible to European citizens? I do not believe so,” Picardo said throughout the interview.

However, a UK government spokesperson ruled out Picardo’s suggestions, noting that Gibraltar’s arrangements would be part of UK-EU talks on future relations.

“After we leave, the UK will be negotiating the future relationship with the EU on behalf of the whole UK family, including Gibraltar. Working closely together, the UK and Gibraltar Governments have always supported arrangements at the border with Spain, which promote fluidity and shared prosperity in the region,” the UK spokesperson said.
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/new...it-uk-says-no/
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01-02-2020, 09:25 PM
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Is there a reason for not letting Spain have Gibralatar?
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01-02-2020, 09:44 PM
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Is there a reason for not letting Spain have Gibralatar?

1967 Referendum it returned a 96% of Gibraltar for staying under British rule.

In 2002 Referendum it was 98%.

Mind you in 2016 they voted 96% to stay in the EU
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Is there a reason for not letting Spain have Gibralatar?
Apart from prestige? Perhaps those alt salts of admirals that still think in terms of naval warfare? Who holds the entrance to the mediterranean holds all ship routes via the suez canal.
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01-02-2020, 09:50 PM
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1967 Referendum it returned a 96% of Gibraltar for staying under British rule.

In 2002 Referendum it was 98%.
What'd expect? This is not a matter to be settled by referendum. Only british living on gebraltar were asked, the occupying force. Spaniards are prohibited from living in gibraltar. Therefore everyday they have to commute.
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Re: Spain v Gibraltar

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Doesn't this show the desperate situation the EU is in, and this is just one example. Say no more
Desperate, heh?
The EU will back Spain over its territorial claims to*Gibraltar*in the next phase of Brexit negotiations by giving Madrid the power to exclude the British overseas territory from any trade deal struck with Brussels.

The Observer has learned that the Spanish government has insisted on reference to the Rock in the EU’s opening negotiating position, which will be published in draft form on Monday.

Boris Johnson will be presented with the choice of reaching agreement with the Spaniards about Gibraltar’s future or exposing its citizens to economic peril by pushing it outside any EU-UK trade deal.
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01-02-2020, 10:54 PM
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Everyone always wants to push a secondary case in an era of great change, it is understandable but adds to the general confusion, as always.
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does Gibraltar contribute much to the British economy? Perhaps some fish?
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does Gibraltar contribute much to the British economy? Perhaps some fish?

They have certain things that make jobs and money for them that we don't have to prop them up with money.
 
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