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Re: Why did the sensible majority of the UK vote for Brexit?

There are far longer reaching problems ahead for European countries , for every migrant Angela allowed in ..... their children will be born as Europeans and as such free to live and work anywhere in the eu ..... longterm OUT is best


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08-12-2016, 01:13 AM
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Re: Why did the sensible majority of the UK vote for Brexit?

Originally Posted by marmaduke ->
There are far longer reaching problems ahead for European countries , for every migrant Angela allowed in ..... their children will be born as Europeans and as such free to live and work anywhere in the eu ..... longterm OUT is best


https://youtu.be/CrA_9SoCitk
Well, that's up to them of course. We have done it, and so can they before things get even worse. The trouble is, though, that some would argue that the horse has bolted and it is now too late anyway.
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08-12-2016, 01:19 AM
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Re: Why did the sensible majority of the UK vote for Brexit?

Simple answer as to voting in favour, did not want to be ruled by a foreign power. We did not fight 2 world wars just to be taken over by French or German politicians.
We have our own government devolved over hundreds of years not a 5 minute wonder from Brussels
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08-12-2016, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Flicker ->
The UK joined the EU in 1972.
It came out of the ERM under Denis Healy in 1979.

The inflation was caused by the eft leaning trades unions who demanded higher and higher wages, so prices went up.
I believe it was Scargill who afterwards said he was a week away from breaking the UK. It had nothing to do with the EU.

The ECU was not based on the German currency but on an average of all the currencies involved in the ERM. It as called the ECU.
The ERM is all explained here:


The ERM is based on the concept of fixed currency exchange rate margins, but with exchange rates variable within those margins. This is also known as a semi-pegged system. Before the introduction of the euro, exchange rates were based on the European Currency Unit (ECU), the European unit of account, whose value was determined as a weighted average of the participating currencies.

A grid (known as the Parity Grid) of bilateral rates was calculated on the basis of these central rates expressed in ECUs, and currency fluctuations had to be contained within a margin of 2.25% on either side of the bilateral rates (with the exception of the Italian lira, the Spanish peseta, the Portuguese escudo and the pound sterling, which were allowed to fluctuate by ±6%).[1] Determined intervention and loan arrangements protected the participating currencies from greater exchange rate fluctuations.

United Kingdom Chancellor of the Exchequer Denis Healey reportedly chose not to join the ERM in 1979 owing to concerns that it would benefit the German economy by preventing the Deutsche mark from appreciating, at the expense of the economies of other countries.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...Rate_Mechanism

I am afraid it is easy to confuse what happened 35 years ago but in fact the UK has not tied its currency to the Euro since 1979.

Wrong!!! (yet again). Please read the attached link of Norman Lamont who was Thatcher's and Major's Chancellor in 'nasty party' governments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Lamont
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08-12-2016, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JBR ->
There are so many ridiculous rules being issued from Brussels that I cannot hope to name them all.

Vacuum cleaner motors, for example.
Smaller motors use less electrical power. OK, fine. But conversely, having to vacuum for a longer time uses more electrical power.

I'm not sure whether toilet limitations were imposed by the EU, but assuming they were we are now obliged to have toilet cisterns with smaller water capacities. This, of course, is to save water usage.
Less water per flush uses less water. OK, fine. But then when you are obliged to flush twice (or more) in order to remove the nasties it uses more water.

Just two ineffective and counterproductive rules I can think of off the top of my head.

And don't get me started on bananas and cucumbers.
My reasons were exactly the same as yours JBR. I was not really concerned about the economic side of things because I'm sure whoever is in charge would be ripping us off. It was all the stupid rules and regs that got to me and the fact that there are people who get paid a hell of a lot of money to sit there and debate what shape a croissant should be.
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08-12-2016, 10:48 AM
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Re: Why did the sensible majority of the UK vote for Brexit?

Originally Posted by Longdogs ->
My reasons were exactly the same as yours JBR. I was not really concerned about the economic side of things because I'm sure whoever is in charge would be ripping us off. It was all the stupid rules and regs that got to me and the fact that there are people who get paid a hell of a lot of money to sit there and debate what shape a croissant should be.


https://youtu.be/NfAhbYfF-wQ

That goes someway to showing where YOUR tax is spent another layer of government on top of the one we already have at home
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08-12-2016, 10:56 AM
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Re: Why did the sensible majority of the UK vote for Brexit?

Originally Posted by Flicker ->
While I find the press to be taken with a large pinch of salt, to actually think stuff in discussion groups which is filtered through rumour, bias, emotional outcries and misreadings plus the general lack of research, the foundation for making important decisions is frankly worrying.

Especially when the members of any group are all of one mind. You might as well hook yourself up to a machine and listen to it over and over. You never get a chance to see the other side.
Au contraire ... both sides of the argument were represented in that thread.
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08-12-2016, 11:03 AM
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Re: Why did the sensible majority of the UK vote for Brexit?

I watched everything I possibly could on TV about the referendum. I watched countless discussion programmes, I listened to captains of industry, I tuned into every radio programme. I also read as much as I could. I discounted some stuff, some stuff I took with a pinch of salt and then I made my own mind up.

I voted Leave and I would vote Leave again if I had to without a doubt.
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08-12-2016, 11:26 AM
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Re: Why did the sensible majority of the UK vote for Brexit?

Originally Posted by flowerpower ->
i watched everything i possibly could on tv about the referendum. I watched countless discussion programmes, i listened to captains of industry, i tuned into every radio programme. I also read as much as i could. I discounted some stuff, some stuff i took with a pinch of salt and then i made my own mind up.

I voted leave and i would vote leave again if i had to without a doubt.
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08-12-2016, 11:36 AM
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Re: Why did the sensible majority of the UK vote for Brexit?

Originally Posted by Flowerpower ->
I watched everything I possibly could on TV about the referendum. I watched countless discussion programmes, I listened to captains of industry, I tuned into every radio programme. I also read as much as I could. I discounted some stuff, some stuff I took with a pinch of salt and then I made my own mind up.

I voted Leave and I would vote Leave again if I had to without a doubt.
Excellent.
Couldn't agree more!
 
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