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nationalism versus multiculturalism OZ style

Although OZ is touted as the best example of a successful multicultural society on this planet there are other forces and voices in OZ who disagree with this model and would seek to reverse it. Andrew Bolt is one such proponent of the opposing view and for some is heralded as a leader back to all that is strong and white and wholesome - others disagree

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...14&CMP=ema_632

there are those who point a finger at UK and say 'see this is what can happen to us'

However nationalism is still strong throughout the globe whether in Russia, or Sweden or Thailand. Some say it is a natural and homogeneous natural model of life on earth and was always intended as such?
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09-08-2018, 06:37 AM
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I hate the word "multiculturalism", it is not a word that says "no racism" because only people who are not controlled by their religion have a hope of achieving that! . We can all learn to live together with people who have different coloured skin. We can all benefit from learning new recipes from different countries & we can maybe accept different dress codes and even try them.

What, it seems, we cannot accept is different religions & beliefs If somebody has faith in a god, we have no right to prevent that belief, but the problems occur when their religion controls their lives by becoming the law of their country.....and no country they move to should be expected to allow those laws!

I have no problem if people in my country are a different colour to me, eat different things and even wear different clothes but I do have a problem if they don't live by the law of my country and they harass the people of their new country by pressurizing them to follow the rules of Islam. If they want to live among people who follow their religion's rules , perhaps they should have stayed in an Islamic country!
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09-08-2018, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Twink55 ->
I hate the word "multiculturalism", it is not a word that says "no racism" because only people who are not controlled by their religion have a hope of achieving that! . We can all learn to live together with people who have different coloured skin. We can all benefit from learning new recipes from different countries & we can maybe accept different dress codes and even try them.

What, it seems, we cannot accept is different religions & beliefs If somebody has faith in a god, we have no right to prevent that belief, but the problems occur when their religion controls their lives by becoming the law of their country.....and no country they move to should be expected to allow those laws!

I have no problem if people in my country are a different colour to me, eat different things and even wear different clothes but I do have a problem if they don't live by the law of my country and they harass the people of their new country by pressurizing them to follow the rules of Islam. If they want to live among people who follow their religion's rules , perhaps they should have stayed in an Islamic country!
That sums me up perfectly well.

It's religion and the culture that brings that threaten our western, democratic , free speaking, freely expressive ( sexuality, art, politics etc )society ,not colour.
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09-08-2018, 07:23 AM
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What, it seems, we cannot accept is different religions & beliefs If somebody has faith in a god, we have no right to prevent that belief, but the problems occur when their religion controls their lives by becoming the law of their country
Not a problem in Australia Section 116 of the Constitution expressly forbids it.

"The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth."

Australia is a secular country we have no state religion, it is unlawful.


BTW Andrew Bolt is an extreme right wing ideologue that only Rupert Murdoch takes seriously, he makes even Tony Abbott and Cory Bernardi seem like socialists.
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09-08-2018, 08:05 AM
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Re: nationalism versus multiculturalism OZ style

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Not a problem in Australia Section 116 of the Constitution expressly forbids it.

"The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth."

Australia is a secular country we have no state religion, it is unlawful.


BTW Andrew Bolt is an extreme right wing ideologue that only Rupert Murdoch takes seriously, he makes even Tony Abbott and Cory Bernardi seem like socialists.
We invited many Muslims to join our country, after the war, and they settled into their own communities... till a few years ago when their mosques were encouraging them to believe that Europe could become an Islam caliphate.
I hope Australia will keep their strong policies on who they allow to immigrate, or section 116 of the Constitution could become a joke in the next century.
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09-08-2018, 08:21 AM
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I do too Twink
Multiculturalism has had very few if any benefits to the UK
Importing thousands of people and tolerating their third world cultures has changed the face of Britain .
It's will get worse before it gets better .
Europe is slowly realising that tolerating the intolerant leads to social disharmony and a lean towards the right .
The worst move was Angela Merkels castastrophic decision to open the doors of Europe to millions of immigrants .
One the western world is already beginning to see has had disasterous consequences .
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09-08-2018, 09:13 AM
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Actually I thought Luxembourg was the top example of multiculturalism with Oz being second.
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09-08-2018, 09:24 AM
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How can there be a integrated society if it preserves different cultures cultural identities and customs ?
It can't .
The culture must be one , the one of the host country the rest must assimilate.
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09-08-2018, 09:30 AM
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How can there be a integrated society if it preserves different cultures cultural identities and customs ?
It can't .
The culture must be one , the one of the host country the rest must assimilate.
Absolutely not. Integration is not a good idea either. A multicultural society in a secular state, built on mutual tolerance in the ideal but not one likely to be achieved in this increasingly benighted, bigoted land.
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Absolutely not. Integration is not a good idea either. A multicultural society in a secular state, built on mutual tolerance in the ideal but not one likely to be achieved in this increasingly benighted, bigoted land.
Perhaps you need to live in the cities & towns where many of them live in large numbers. Places like Dewsbury where half the population are Muslims. Visiting these places is unwise, unless you are happy to be in a minority who are harassed about what they wear, what they drink and what sexual partners they choose. How would you feel if you had to regularly travel through towns like this? Many who follow the Islam religion have no tolerance of others, because their religion teaches that other religions are wrong.
This country isn't bigoted, it was free for all till the Muslims were taught that it could be their Caliphate
 
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