10-02-2019, 11:54 AM
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Re: Anti-vaxxers responsible for Outbreak
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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The Internet is full of nutcases, bad science and conspiracy theories.
One has to sift through it all to find the truth.
10-02-2019, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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I would ban kids from school and nurseries etc if they hadn't had the shots unless they have a damned good reason for not doing so.
10-02-2019, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Realist
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Why would you ban unvaccinated kids? What purpose would that serve?
10-02-2019, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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To stop them getting infected when there is an outbreak. They don't ban them full stop just when there are outbreaks for their own safety. Common sense.
Common sense dictates that everyone has a choice either to have the vaccine or not to have the vaccine.
Those who have the vaccine are clearly out of the equation, they are (supposedly) safe, protected immune.
So the only people affected are those who didn't choose to have the vaccine. Their choice.
The point Julie made was that she would ban all unvaccinated children from schools.
There is no logical reason to do this as they clearly can not affect those who had been vaccinated.
They can only affect each other which is clearly not an issue to those who purposefully opted not to have the vaccinations.
10-02-2019, 01:37 PM
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By way of highlighting the risks here let's look at the Measles mortality rates in the UK.Measles notifications and deaths in England and Wales
Government ONS Data
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...s-1940-to-2013
Notes to the above data:
"Prior to 2006, the last death from acute measles was in 1992. In 2006, there was 1 measles death in a 13-year-old male who had an underlying lung condition and was taking immunosuppressive drugs. Another death in 2008 was also due to acute measles in an unvaccinated child with a congenital immunodeficiency, whose condition did not require treatment with immunoglobulin. In 2013, 1 death was reported in a 25-year-old man following acute pneumonia as a complication of measles. In 2016, one death was reported in a 10-month-old infant who suffered complications due to a secondary infection."
These are interesting numbers imho.
In the UK there are approx. 12m children aged 0 - 14 yrs
(number from Statista website for 2016)
The number of reported cases of Measles in 2016 was just 1642. That means a child's realistic risk of actually getting Measles was 0.01%, One Hundredth of a percent !
A child's risk of actually dying from Measles was 1 in 12 million !! That's about the same odds as winning the National Lottery when it first began.
The maths alone give a reasonable cause for parents to stop and think about whether to have the vaccination.
The psychological pressures put on them and the guilt trips placed upon them by medical industry apologists are not justified. A 1 in 12 million chance of dying is virtually no chance at all. In fact you likely risk your child's life much more by allowing them to travel on a bus or every time you drive them to school in your car.
Flame away
10-02-2019, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Realist
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Yes, go see the various flu threads. I cite the Cochrane Library of medical studies and research.
10-02-2019, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Realist
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Why would you ban unvaccinated kids? What purpose would that serve?
10-02-2019, 01:42 PM
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I would ban them so they are not able to interact and either catch the diseases or pass them around. Most parents want their kids educated well there is a penalty for that and in this case it is keep all the other kids safe by vaccinating your own.I only hold off making it mandatory because it may be some people due to other medical problems shouldn't have them, but in principle just get your kids vaccinated and stop putting everyone in danger.
10-02-2019, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce
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You can cite who you like but you are calling your Googling 'research' and as such it needs to be peer reviewed otherwise it is useless gossip.
The Cochrane Institute and Library Database is one of the most internationally respected medical research bodies in the world employing over 10,000 highly qualified people ranging from doctors and academics across every medical field.
They establish the benchmark protocols for medical studies and enforce rigorous standards to prevent manufacturers from influencing the outcomes of studies.
Their work IS peer reviewed and accepted by doctors and health industries alike. Anyone who works in the NHS knows who Cochrane is. Their medical training will have involved reference to the many peer reviewed studies held in their database.
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