12-03-2020, 10:43 AM
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Re: Accessing a GP
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Most GPs aren't on a state payroll. Historically they have always been private businesses. It's funny therefore when you read about privatisation of the NHS.
All GPs are self employed.
The Gov pay them a certain amount for each person they have on the books
12-03-2020, 11:30 AM
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Re: Accessing a GP
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Most GPs aren't on a state payroll. Historically they have always been private businesses. It's funny therefore when you read about privatisation of the NHS.
state employees Annie? But due to pressure from some doctors
they were given the option to work for themselves?
This led ot course eventually to the situation we have now!
Also originally the NHS had nurse training colleges on site but lm
not sure about doctor training but l believe they also trained in
NHS facilities at the beginning of their training and went to uni only
to further their studies? Of course once an alternative more lucrative
system was available that led to a deteriorating NHS service due to
the drift of NHS trained staff from NHS to the better paid private
sector which by now had built its own hospitals in opposition to
the public hospitals! Imo the two systems cannot exist side by side?
BTW, Annie thanks for your links, one of them has a bearing on my
own particular problems! 🤔🤔🤔
Donkeyman
12-03-2020, 11:41 AM
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Re: Accessing a GP
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiI ended up in hospital last night.
One of many whose condition had deteriorated due to lack of access to a GP.
A two hour wait in the Ambulance outside, then a four hour wait on a trolley in a corridor before an assessment and then another 3 hours wait in the Corridor for a Doctor.
You can forget Coronavirus, we where packed in like sardines.
I eventually had my heart reset, my BP on my left was 90/60, on my right 171/117.
A complete nightmare.
Lovely Nurses and Doctors, but under so much pressure.
It was so rammed I was stuck outside the entrance to the Ladies loos, constantly being moved.
The NHS is not as good as the Politicians keep on telling us.
We have less hospital beds per head of Population then Italy and 30% less beds per head of Population then Germany.
As regards cutting down on Immigration, I only saw one British Doctor, all the rest and all the Nurses were Immigrants.
All the british doctors are either private or overseas Swimmy!!
Donkeyman!
12-03-2020, 12:03 PM
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Re: Accessing a GP
Originally Posted by Mags
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Our practice has over 15,000 patients on its books and we have to wait at least 3 weeks before we can get an appointment, unless it's an emergency... 
12-03-2020, 12:32 PM
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Re: Accessing a GP
Originally Posted by Artangel
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Mags, The practice I’m with has around 13,500 patients and l can get an appointment on the day. You wouldn’t think, 1,500 more patients would slow the appointment wait at your practice.
Incidentally, assuming you know the postcode of your GP practice, you can ascertain the number of registered patients from this downloadable list:
https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-info...ice/march-2020
There is quite a disparity of numbers but, of course, it also matters how many doctors and other staff are employed there too.
13-03-2020, 01:26 AM
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Re: Accessing a GP
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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I believe that in the beginnings of NHS all GPs were signed up asstate employees Annie? But due to pressure from some doctors
they were given the option to work for themselves?
This led ot course eventually to the situation we have now!
Also originally the NHS had nurse training colleges on site but lm
not sure about doctor training but l believe they also trained in
NHS facilities at the beginning of their training and went to uni only
to further their studies? Of course once an alternative more lucrative
system was available that led to a deteriorating NHS service due to
the drift of NHS trained staff from NHS to the better paid private
sector which by now had built its own hospitals in opposition to
the public hospitals! Imo the two systems cannot exist side by side?
BTW, Annie thanks for your links, one of them has a bearing on my
own particular problems! 🤔🤔🤔
Donkeyman
I've no idea of the history of GP training but how does that relate? We have always had private medicine in the UK. The systems have always co-existed. The private healthcare system is in fact mediocre in relation to the NHS because they do not take on the risk of many conditions. For example I don't think maternity care is something that you can insure yourself for. So the NHS provides the cutting edge treatment and research in the UK partly linked the excellent medical training facilities we have here in universities which are linked to NHS teaching hospitals. The private sector refers patients back to the NHS when it gets to complex for their insurers (be it actual insurance or professional indemnity insurance). It's all about risk.
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