24-05-2021, 03:24 PM
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Re: A step toward complete democracy?
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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Are you sure about that TAT? In my opinion, PR and AV voting systems only ever result in hung parliaments or coalitions that constantly fall apart usually resulting in the need for another election. You only have to look at Italy's horrendous general election record since 1945 to see that.
24-05-2021, 03:41 PM
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Re: A step toward complete democracy?
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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I'm absolutely certain of it. It's a price well worth paying.
Percy mentions Italy as being such an example.
On the other hand, unless I'm mistaken, Germany also has such a situation relating to 'hung parliaments' though I'm not sure whether that is due to a PR system. In their case, though, Germany seems to run efficiently regarding their parliament.
Consequently, I'm not too sure whether or not PR would work in this country. I'd like to learn more about such things before I can be certain.
24-05-2021, 03:45 PM
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Re: A step toward complete democracy?
Originally Posted by JBR
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On the other hand, unless I'm mistaken, Germany also has such a situation relating to 'hung parliaments' though I'm not sure whether that is due to a PR system. In their case, though, Germany seems to run efficiently regarding their parliament..
24-05-2021, 04:03 PM
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Re: A step toward complete democracy?
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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Are you sure about that TAT? In my opinion, PR and AV voting systems only ever result in hung parliaments or coalitions that constantly fall apart usually resulting in the need for another election. You only have to look at Italy's horrendous general election record since 1945 to see that.
Think part of the problem is that there has been a failure of imagination and recognition that the way of governing needs to be amended to accommodate PR outcomes.
24-05-2021, 04:32 PM
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Re: A step toward complete democracy?
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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I would go as far as to say that Germany runs efficiently DESPITE its government.
24-05-2021, 04:35 PM
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Re: A step toward complete democracy?
Originally Posted by Dextrous63
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Irrespective of how it turns out in terms of having a functioning government, it is more democratic than a FPP system.Think part of the problem is that there has been a failure of imagination and recognition that the way of governing needs to be amended to accommodate PR outcomes.
I have always said that I'd be in favour of PR.
24-05-2021, 04:57 PM
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Re: A step toward complete democracy?
Originally Posted by JBR
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On the other hand, unless I'm mistaken, Germany also has such a situation relating to 'hung parliaments' though I'm not sure whether that is due to a PR system. In their case, though, Germany seems to run efficiently regarding their parliament.
24-05-2021, 05:07 PM
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Re: A step toward complete democracy?
Originally Posted by Dachs
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As regards GE there hasn't been a hung parliament in Germany but it was the result of some elections in federal states such as Hesse and Hamburg. What is new is that three-party coalitions are getting more common, especially in federal state elections and it remains to be seen what the forthcoming GE in September result in. Our seven-party parliament needs reforming badly because it is getting larger and larger. Having more than 700 MPs in a tiny country like G. is not only ridiculous but also hugely expensive. It's basically the conservatives (CDU) who want to prevent that as it might reduce their number of seats.
The ones with the most votes take the first seats?
24-05-2021, 05:22 PM
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Re: A step toward complete democracy?
Originally Posted by JBR
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I don't know exactly how it works there, but surely you can limit the number of seats.The ones with the most votes take the first seats?
24-05-2021, 05:38 PM
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Re: A step toward complete democracy?
Originally Posted by Dachs
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Yes, they can be reduced if all parties agree to reduce the number of constituencies which is inevitable if the number of MPs is to be reduced. The CDU doesn't want that, though, because they get most of the direct mandates in a number of them. It's been a stalemate for some time. After the next GE there will most likely be another attempt to change things.
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