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11-01-2019, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR ->
We have been a divided nation for decades; probably ever since the war, which is the last time everyone pulled together.
I disagree with that. I firmly belief that Thatcher started the rot when she tore apart the fabric of British society with her belief that Britain is not a society but an economy and her violent ideological attack on sections of that society.
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11-01-2019, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread ->
Members of the common market not the EU.

There's another fact for you.... We never voted for EU membership did we..... by a whopping 67%
Oh come on, that is a straw man argument. The Common Market became the EEC became the EU while you were members, YOU, as part of the organisation, made it so.
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11-01-2019, 11:33 PM
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Oh come on, that is a straw man argument. The Common Market became the EEC became the EU while you were members, YOU, as part of the organisation, made it so.
So you're not aware of the treaties signed by our PMs (Major, especially) which, bit by bit, gave away our sovereignty?
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11-01-2019, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce ->
The Common Market became the EEC became the EU while you were members, YOU, as part of the organisation, made it so.

No, we failed to prevent it.
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12-01-2019, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce ->
Oh come on, that is a straw man argument. The Common Market became the EEC became the EU while you were members, YOU, as part of the organisation, made it so.

We voted for the common market. There was nothing in the referendum about the ECJ etc etc.

The biggest lie was what we were told we were joining in the first place.
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12-01-2019, 12:10 AM
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The biggest lie was what we were told we were joining in the first place.

Absolutely.
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12-01-2019, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Muckypup ->
Still if you want to sail into the sunset in your sinking economy with your "we are an independent island colours nail to the mast so be it"
Oh FFS ! How many more aliases !

Please quit with this "Project Fear" utter Billy BS.

It's amazing how massively concerned the EU is with the UK leaving. Forums everywhere flooded with endless new aliases all trying their level best to sow fear and uncertainty.

It's so blatantly obvious the UK is doing EXACTLY THE RIGHT THING in leaving the EU.

Posts like yours remind us every day that we are on the right course. That cutting free of this corrupt federal state is the best thing for us all in the long term.

We know it will be painful in the short term. You really don't need to tell us. We ARE NOT the least bit frightened of that pain. We WILL endure it, we will shoulder lost jobs if necessary and do whatever it takes to see it through.

You can't scare us with Project Fear and Project Hysteria nonsense.
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12-01-2019, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
Oh FFS ! How many more aliases !

Please quit with this "Project Fear" utter Billy BS.

It's amazing how massively concerned the EU is with the UK leaving. Forums everywhere flooded with endless new aliases all trying their level best to sow fear and uncertainty.

It's so blatantly obvious the UK is doing EXACTLY THE RIGHT THING in leaving the EU.

Posts like yours remind us every day that we are on the right course. That cutting free of this corrupt federal state is the best thing for us all in the long term.

We know it will be painful in the short term. You really don't need to tell us. We ARE NOT the least bit frightened of that pain. We WILL endure it, we will shoulder lost jobs if necessary and do whatever it takes to see it through.

You can't scare us with Project Fear and Project Hysteria nonsense.
The old jaded “Projet Fear” sound byte again which is used to cover up the fact that no leaver can explain exactly how we will be better off and how we will prosper that isn’t an easily disproven fallacy.

At least there is some light at the end of the tunnel in that you recognise that it will be painful and there will be job losses. If we do not secure a deal that facilitates seamless trade with the EU then the pain may not be short term.

While you might be ok with losing your job (if you have one) as an acceptable pice to pay for leaving the EU, I’d wager that is sacrifice too far for many.

While the rest of the world looks on at what the UK is doing with incredulity. You response to any view that differs from yours is to shout the battle cry “Projest Fear” and march blindly onwards to the promised land as portrayed by the wealthy disaster capitalists.
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12-01-2019, 08:29 AM
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We've had this discussion before - that nobody voting in the 70s referendum knew that the Treaty of Rome had "Ever Closer Union" in its first sentence. How many voting in those days had even heard of the Treaty?
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12-01-2019, 09:18 AM
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Re: Brexit - Can you ever please both sides?

Originally Posted by JBR ->
So you're not aware of the treaties signed by our PMs (Major, especially) which, bit by bit, gave away our sovereignty?
It doesn't matter whether I am aware of it or not. He/they was/were your PM, your representative elected by the people in your almost democratic country and you were a member of the organisation.
 
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