| View Poll Results: Would you vote to stay or go? | |||
| STAY IN THE EU |
   
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34 | 27.87% |
| LEAVE THE EU |
  
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88 | 72.13% |
| Voters: 122. You may not vote on this poll | |||
12-04-2016, 02:07 PM
511
Re: EU...IN or OUT?
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiNorway, to keep in the EEC Free Trade Area has had to accept two things.
Firstly, it has to comply with EU regulations.
Secondly, it has to accept free movement of EU Workers.
Both of which are completely the opposite of what the Out campaigners want.
Simple fact of life, unless and until we grasp the nettle and change our stupid tax and benefits system, naff all will change.
Norway has a massive surplus fund, we don't.
12-04-2016, 05:05 PM
512
Re: EU...IN or OUT?
Originally Posted by JBR
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Quite right. That's another worrying thing: that assuming the country votes to leave, Dopey and his clan may twist things so that we end up in the same boat as Norway and Switzerland.
I don't think that they will twist things, we will be offered a take it or leave it deal.
The die is already cast, the EU are miles ahead of us in planning.
They have already factored in the UK leaving and will not lose a penny, simply up our Import Duties payable to them, doing this solely on Financial Services, which are our biggest export to the EU.
Think the EU are idiots? think again.
One of Cameron's big deals was the restriction on Benefits.
Both Germany and France do not pay a penny in child benefit to children residing in other parts of the EU.
One of Cameron's big deals was that we would still pay Child Benefit to children of EU Workers living in the UK but with their children still living abroad, but only at the same rate that they get in their own Country.
Promoted as a major saving.
I bet now that none of you know this.
The Polish Government, and Poland is where we send most of the Child Benefits to, has just upped it's Child Benefits so we will not save a single penny out of this so called victory.
They think that it is hilarious, I don't.
As they have rightly pointed out to me over the last couple of weeks, we are idiots, they would not pay a penny in Child Benefit to any child not living in Poland.
12-04-2016, 08:18 PM
513
Re: EU...IN or OUT?
Of course, SF.What we really lack is a strong government willing to fight fire with fire.
One example is the EU import duties you mention. Why can't we increase our import duties to a similar extent? Bearing in mind that we import more from them than they import from us, surely they have considered that possibility.
Then, of course, it imports from the EU become too expensive there is nothing to stop our imports from the rest of the world increasing.
12-04-2016, 08:27 PM
514
Re: EU...IN or OUT?
Originally Posted by JBR
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Of course, SF.What we really lack is a strong government willing to fight fire with fire.
One example is the EU import duties you mention. Why can't we increase our import duties to a similar extent? Bearing in mind that we import more from them than they import from us, surely they have considered that possibility.
Then, of course, it imports from the EU become too expensive there is nothing to stop our imports from the rest of the world increasing.
I agree that one of our main issues is weak leadership.
Cammy is but a jellyfish..
14-04-2016, 06:59 PM
515
Re: EU...IN or OUT?
It's a great pity that the EU referendum is being fought as a political jousting match. Whether we are Lefties or Righties is not the point. The most life changing factor in our future, as an independent, self-governing country is TTIT. It appears our politicians are not even going to get a vote on whether to join or not.Alone we will have no choice but to accept financial rules laid down by those who really run the world - the multinational coroporations and their owners. The EU is a powerful and influential market and they will get to negotiate terms to their advantage. Governments of countries that have already signed up are being sued for raising wage and pension limits.
How will that go down with the Little Englanders, I wonder, when we are a satellite state of Global Finance.
14-04-2016, 07:12 PM
516
Re: EU...IN or OUT?
Originally Posted by moreover
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It's a great pity that the EU referendum is being fought as a political jousting match. Whether we are Lefties or Righties is not the point. The most life changing factor in our future, as an independent, self-governing country is TTIT. It appears our politicians are not even going to get a vote on whether to join or not. Alone we will have no choice but to accept financial rules laid down by those who really run the world - the multinational coroporations and their owners. The EU is a powerful and influential market and they will get to negotiate terms to their advantage. Governments of countries that have already signed up are being sued for raising wage and pension limits.
How will that go down with the Little Englanders, I wonder, when we are a satellite state of Global Finance.
I am bemused, I thought it was obvious to all that we already are a satellite state of Global Finance.
In or out of the EU, we owe so much money, and need to keep borrowing so much more money every year that we are dictated too by the International Money Markets.
Our fate will not be our own to control until we
1. Stop borrowing more every year.
2. Pay off what we owe.
Our fate is in the hands of less than a 1000 people worldwide, most of whom we have never heard of.
Cameron, Corbyn, Boris and Nigel can huff and puff all they like our fate will be decided abroad, and not by the EU.
It will be decided by the big International Moneylenders.
15-04-2016, 10:20 AM
520
Re: EU...IN or OUT?
I can't understand why the majority of the Conservative party want us to remain in the EU. They have always been against nationalisation and can't wait to unload companies that they have had to step in to bail out. GNER was taken on when they failed to meet their targets, and although the government made millions of pounds of profit while running the service quickly passed it on to Virgin. British Steel is unlikely to become nationalised, they would sooner see it closed. Large companies like British Gas and British Telecom are in private hands to encourage competitition and prevent monopolies. So why on earth would they want, what is technically the nationalisation of Europe by the EU. Each year the EU becomes bigger by swallowing up countries under the pretense of better trading facilities but in order to be a member of the club you must give up control of your country. If all the red tape can mysteriously disappear between countries when they are members of the EU, why can't it be the same without selling your soul.If the EU continues to grow we will only be in the same market conditions that we were before the EU, except we will all be under total control and governed from Brussels. Why should we have to negotiate deals with other countries in order to sell and buy goods from them? Either they want to sell us their products and buy ours, or they don't.
These are some of the reasons (among others) why I will be voting to come out of the EU, and until someone can convince me otherwise I will not change my mind.
Not even the pamphlet that came through the door could offer reasonable reasons to stay in the EU, in fact, a common chap like me could shoot down every reason that the government could come up with, so I'm sure the out campaign can provide a much stronger argument for leaving......It's a 'no brainer' as Kevin Bacon would say.
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