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28-05-2019, 01:25 PM
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QUESTION...….If we have a no deal Brexit would they really withhold medicines to punish us?? Where did we get our meds from before we joined with the EU?
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28-05-2019, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Sorry Solly! I did'nt mention coming out with no deal under
this current parliament because, as you explain it will be
very unlikely! The only way it could happen with them in
Charge is if they faff around too long and the time limit
imposed by EU comes into effect and we are allowed to fall
out automatically! But we also know that for obvious reasons
EU will not allow this! So, now we come to a general election
This is where we hope to be rid of our hated POSHOC and
reinstate a working majority in parliament!
This will lead to a no deal brexit?
The likelyhood of this happening increase by the day l am
happy to say
I hope you make sense of my text so far l think you are
intelligent enough to understand my use of the POSHOC
acronymn!

Regards Donkeyman!

Contrary to what you think the EU will let you leave without a deal. Only if you ask for another extension the EU can postpone that. The question is whether the new parliament will be in favour of that.
Like I said before, whether you leave, and how, is solely a matter for the UK.
If a general election can be concluded before the end of oktober, a new HoC can interfere with brexit.

I understand posHoC, but it is not for me to use. I can see what they do, I can have an opinion about that, and as long as you are a free country I can even express that opinion, but it is not for me to call them names. But the british are very creative in thinking up names for all kinds of things, events and people.
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28-05-2019, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Roxy ->
QUESTION...….If we have a no deal Brexit would they really withhold medicines to punish us?? Where did we get our meds from before we joined with the EU?
We made our own Roxy, and exported them to boot?
Who has been running this country for the last 40yrs ??

Best Regards Donkeyman!
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28-05-2019, 01:41 PM
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Re: Tory party - no hard BREXIT.

Originally Posted by Roxy ->
QUESTION...….If we have a no deal Brexit would they really withhold medicines to punish us?? Where did we get our meds from before we joined with the EU?
Before you joined the EEC you got them from the EEC. If you leave the EU you can still buy them from the EU, but only after there is a trade deal, such is the law for all EU members. See post # 29.
A trade deal could be negotiated now by liam fox, to go into action the moment you leave. He has not done so.
Depending on how long it takes to close a deal after you leave, your stocks will run out. That was the background for intensive stockpiling march this year.

Complicating factor may be that barnier (and others) have said that before trade negotiations start, the withdrawal deal will be on the table.
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28-05-2019, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
We made our own Roxy, and exported them to boot?
Who has been running this country for the last 40yrs ??

Best Regards Donkeyman!
You still make a lot, and export them to other EU members, tarif free. These members have been changing that dependency to other countries. India for instance. That explains in a minor way why the EU is negotiating a trade deal with india.
But there are still some medicines that are mainly produced in the UK. The netherlands are one of the countrues that has been stockpiling them, and rationing them, since january this year..
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28-05-2019, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Contrary to what you think the EU will let you leave without a deal. Only if you ask for another extension the EU can postpone that. The question is whether the new parliament will be in favour of that.
Like I said before, whether you leave, and how, is solely a matter for the UK.
If a general election can be concluded before the end of oktober, a new HoC can interfere with brexit.

I understand posHoC, but it is not for me to use. I can see what they do, I can have an opinion about that, and as long as you are a free country I can even express that opinion, but it is not for me to call them names. But the british are very creative in thinking up names for all kinds of things, events and people.
Oh, l thought the time limit was automatic Solly! But the
results of asking for another extension wil be the same as
I layed out earlier! A general election soon after getting the
extension and whatever ensues, as l also explained earlier

Regards Donkeyman!!
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28-05-2019, 02:05 PM
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Re: Tory party - no hard BREXIT.

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
You still make a lot, and export them to other EU members, tarif free. These members have been changing that dependency to other countries. India for instance. That explains in a minor way why the EU is negotiating a trade deal with india.
But there are still some medicines that are mainly produced in the UK. The netherlands are one of the countrues that has been stockpiling them, and rationing them, since january this year..

India makes generics.
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28-05-2019, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
A general election soon after getting the extension and whatever ensues, as l also explained earlier

Regards Donkeyman!!
Like I said, the chances for another extension are slim and getting less with the present constellation in europarliament.
A GE election will have to be after brexit. The advantage of that being that nigel farage is available for membership of the HoC. Just maybe he can make it this times. Three times is lucky or something like that.
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28-05-2019, 02:46 PM
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Re: Tory party - no hard BREXIT.

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
We made our own Roxy, and exported them to boot?
Who has been running this country for the last 40yrs ??

Best Regards Donkeyman!
The pharmaceutical sector is one of the most productive in the UK, with a turnover
of £41.8 billion, providing 8.2 per cent of UK goods exports and employing more
than 113,000 people, directly or in service and supply roles. The sector is a mixture
of large UK-headquartered firms such as AstraZeneca and GSK, manufacturing and
research sites for other global companies, and a significant proportion of SMEs and
microbusinesses, researching and manufacturing branded, generic and over-the-
counter medicines for UK patients and consumers and for a global market. The sector
is part of heavily integrated EU supply chain that relies on the friction-free transfer of
ingredients and finished products to ensure access to medicines across the continent.
Leaving the EU without a deal for pharmaceuticals would risk a hugely damaging effect
on the sector in the UK, as access to markets diminish, including £11.9 billion of exports
and more than 446 million potential patients and consumers in the EU. It would also
risk a damaging effect on UK patients. With 73 per cent of pharmaceutical imports
coming from the EU, access to pharmaceutical products could be reduced, and as only
2.3 per cent of the global market compared to the EU27’s more than 22 per cent, the UK
may become a less attractive location to launch new medicines. Global efforts to remove
tariffs on pharmaceutical products mean that tariff costs for trading many established
products in the EU would be zero, but slow progress on World Trade Organisation
negotiations means many new medicines and ingredients will still be subject to tariffs.
These might be funded by the taxpayer having to underwrite extra costs to the National
Health Service as the main customer for pharmaceuticals.
Non-tariff barriers present a significant challenge to the industry, with any time- or
temperature-sensitive products delayed at the border at risk of not reaching their
destinations in a condition to be of benefit to patients. Additional costs and requirements
for the processing of customs procedures will, as with tariff costs, either burden
businesses or the NHS. We heard no evidence of a potential for the UK to replace the
EU supply chain for products with a domestic one.
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28-05-2019, 02:50 PM
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Re: Tory party - no hard BREXIT.

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
You still make a lot, and export them to other EU members, tarif free. These members have been changing that dependency to other countries. India for instance. That explains in a minor way why the EU is negotiating a trade deal with india.
But there are still some medicines that are mainly produced in the UK. The netherlands are one of the countrues that has been stockpiling them, and rationing them, since january this year..
The reason deals are being sought with India Solly is the
the western manufacturers have been colluding with each
other to force prices up and the cost of medicine is now
almost prohibitive, India decided to manufacture its own
medicines in contravention of patent laws so it could supply
its own population with affordable treatments!
They now supply many other poor countries with these
cheaper drugs, l suspect the EU will purchase these cheap
medicines and sell them on at EU prices! or they will
undercut eu manufacturers!
I know this is not all eu related, but it gives an indication
of how pharmacutical firms and trading blocks are able to
skew the cost of medicines to the end user!

Regards Donkeyman!
 
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