Re: Yet another Legal Challenge.

Actually, it's what happens when crooked and fraudulent politicians, being funded and controlled by corrupt and fraudulent EU power-mad moguls, take a country's constitution, rip it up and use it as toilet paper without the consultation or consent of the people.

It's what happens when the filthy elite 1% who have 99% of the wealth use that money and power to place themselves above the law, to actually write the law as they see fit, and ignore the wishes of the people. It is called tyranny in most other countries and it inevitably leads to revolution.

We should never have joined the EU in the manner we did, stealthily, covertly, crookedly without the consent of the people. So welcome to your revolution. It has barely begun and it's going to get very very ugly.

Re: Yet another Legal Challenge.

Why do you call yourself Realist?

The country voted by overwhelmingly democratic vote to stay in the Common Market.

That was the consent of the people...as direct as the ref. you so defend.

So why is it now something different?

REVOLUTION??
You need the support of the people for that...4% in your favour at that time is not enough by any means. Many have already changed their minds anyway.
and revolt against who?
What do you put in its place? More elite. Read Animal Farm.

If you are looking for a cause why not do something useful and save elephants?
The law will take care of this. Not the rabble.

Re: Yet another Legal Challenge.

Hi

I haver been part of a rabble before, it could be fun.

Re: Yet another Legal Challenge.

You cite a referendum that was done retrospectively and done by stealth, inviting people to "stay in" to a situation that they had already been fraudulently taken into a year earlier by the Ted Heath government.

As with that original deception, the populous was being told about being member of a Common Market" i.e. a simple business/trading arrangement, not that they were being taken into a federal state of Europe that would drastically undermine their constitution and much of their laws and customs.

It's a bit like the deception we have seen every 4 years with the General Elections where we are given to believe we are voting for Labour or Conservative when in fact they are all votes for a Federal States Of Europe. A deception, nothing more.

As can be seen plainly right now, much of the populous is already asking for perpetuation of the single market and the freedoms they have for trading with the EU. At the same time people don't want the totalitarian federalism baggage that came with it. They don't want the British justice system usurped by some wider EU Justice system, they don't want EU bureaucrats imposing laws and regulations on the country and they don't want the great British £ usurping by the disastrous Euro which has helped destroy the economies of other EU members.

The above demonstrates perfectly how the people were stealthily duped into going into the EU. The people want the free trade, the Common Market. What they don't want is the abolition of their sovereignty, their freedoms and constitution.
Since the proposition is now clearly shown for the duplicitous sham that it is and has been since Ted Heath fraudulently took us in, the majority of people in the country now want out.

If we have to come completely out, inc free trade, to achieve that separation then so be it. We can work out new trade agreements no problem.

Your position of supporting this whole charade and skulduggery of a bunch of elitist EU stooges who have pushed the UK into a federal state and undermined our constitution, marks you as a member of that establishment.

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Yes I am aware of all that. It is oft repeated and getting quite tiresome.

Your problem is not with the EU. Y9ur problem is with your OWN govt which did nit offer you the many chances the RU offered to participate in it.

However what the British people want as you describe it is not possible. In your own words,
much of the populous is already asking for perpetuation of the single market and the freedoms they have for trading with the EU.

For all but the very stubbornly blind it is clear that this is not going to happen.
Therefore the 230 billion pound business that the UK does with the EU will stop. That is about a third of what it takes to fund the UK per year. Much of the rest comes from financial and other services and there is a distinct probability that this will no longer be allowed in the EU.

The UK still has to apply to become a member of the WTO...it is not a member of its own volition but through the EU. The UK cannot apply until it is out of the EU.

And I did ask elsewhere, just where is the UK going to do business? She has little to sell that others cannot get elsewhere cheaper and where they already have trade deals.
It has already been seen that trade with the USA is dodgy.
China already owns much of the UK...they prefer to buy a country via ownership of its industry etc rather than trade with it.
India want MORE permanent immigration into the UK in exchange for its markets.
Short of your rather glib assertion that you can find new markets, no problem, either you will have to borrow the huge shortfall and head for a Greece like economy or find nearly 800 billion pounds worth of trade just to stand still.

Now for someone who goes about talking about the establishment, elitism etc perhaps you could put down your blunderbuss, stop calling people names and consider what puts bread on the table, keeps the country healthy and to some degree educated and what looks after aged people. including pensions because they are going to be affected. That is already on the cards.
This is right now, membership of the EU.

ISTM that the position you and others take right now is the same as someone disliking their boss so tears up his pay slip and storms out saying he will find another job...in a jobless world.
When instead what you should be doing is talking to him to find a way to work together.
ie insist that your govt both tell you what the EU is planning and giving you a voice to influence it.
THEN you get the best of both worlds.

Re: Yet another Legal Challenge.

what exactly is your point?
Is this a one woman crusade / tirade to save us all from ourselves ?

Re: Yet another Legal Challenge.

I told you before I don't reply to personal posts.

However if you are going to turn over the apple cart, rebel, have revolution or some other important step to glorify yourselves in the history books of the UK, it is best to know what the facts are.

Instead of running about threatening things blindly.
Sound and fury signifying nothing.

Unless of course you have no intention of being taken seriously.In which case I was right to see the humour in this charade.

Re: Yet another Legal Challenge.

France is no friend to Britain, but a long term enemy, remember De Gaulle tried to prtevent s joining the Common Market, now it seems they want to prevent us leaving. Why ? have they got a lot to lose.

Change is in the air all around the world, us leaving may well provide the catalyst reqd. for change.

Perhaps once out we can build a new framework to deal with other countries that allows individuality to thrive to the benefit of all.

Re: Yet another Legal Challenge.

France doesn't give a rat's arse whether the UK stays or goes.
From the conversations I have had here and the general tone in the press (always polite of course and the French at very reluctant to discuss politics in the open)they will be glad not to keep hearing whingeing Brits get special treatment...again. They at very supportive of the general EU stance that this time the UK has used up all its jokers and will not get one inch of flexibility that other countries do not have.
The rest is diplomatic speak.

I don't know what you lean by restoring individuality...don't you know an Austrian from a Bulgarian, that a Swede has a very different approach to life than a Hungarian?

Perhaps you could tell me why you think they do not have individuality.

Re: Yet another Legal Challenge.

If the French don't give a rat's arse whether the UK leaves the EU, why should you?