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23-02-2016, 02:37 PM
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For once you and I agree Realist ..............except that you make it sound mystical whereas I simply say that 'Mother Nature and the Laws of physics' are my God and we are a long way off of understanding them.
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23-02-2016, 03:36 PM
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Realist, this kind of reminds me of the Neale Donald Walsch books I read many years ago and particularly a book entitled 'you cannot die' I'm afraid I can't remember the author, if we are a tiny spark of the whole, then what is the purpose of our time on earth and do you believe in reincarnation?
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23-02-2016, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
I'm not an atheist nor am I intellectually superior.

I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.

I empathise with that stance quite a lot. I think people's perceptions of "god" or whatever name we want to assign to the universal essence, is quite a way off the mark. IMO we need to shed this notion of a singular person (aging face white beard etc) and instead think more along the lines of a single universal energy, a quintessence that is everywhere, and in everything. I don't mean that in any mystical or magical sense. I simply mean that in terms of Nature, if you were to take any single thing, anything at all, rock, metal, tree, flower, funghi, animal . . . and reduce that thing back to it's most primary material, you would find that everything is made from the same thing.

Think of the universe as a monumental construction of lego but where the lego bricks are so infinitesimally small you can't see them. These bricks contain a life energy, the very thing that makes us what we are. If you were a scientist who could see and work with those bricks, you could make anything you wished. A man, an animal, a plant.

What "god" actually is, I believe, is this universal life energy that is within the universal building blocks. It is the same life energy in everything.

This leads to a new line of thinking and understanding.
If WE are made up of the primary building blocks which contain the universal life energy (god) then in one sense WE ARE GOD ! Or at the least, we are an actual living and breathing part of god. We are God and God is us. We are one and the same. That is why we connect with one another and with all that is around us. That is why the great philosophers like Plato, Socrates etc emphasised that we should:

TEMET NOSCE

Know Thyself


The knowledge of what we really are is profound imo. The knowledge that the "real" us inside is utterly indestructible and immortal, is equally profound and exposes the greatest lie ever told to humankind. The lie that you will die, that what you perceive to be death is the end. That lie is underpinned by fear, by scaremongering which frightens us in our weak minds when we are young and which for many people, goes on to frighten them in adult life.

The lie is there to control you. Religion is the perpetuation of that lie to create a system of control, to make you conform to a set of behaviours, to make you willingly accept the shackles of slavery to work for a bunch of thankless elite who are master manipulators.

This is not an atheistic position. This is a position which recognises "god" but does not recognise god in the way that religion has taught us. A position which is not grounded on fear and scaremongering but which seeks to understand Nature around us and how everything is built and made.

We are all one. To fight each other is for the left hand to fight the right hand, utterly pointless. We are the same thing. We have been fooled and hoodwinked by cruel masters who revel in power and greed. Resist the lie and it will flee from you. You can not die.

There is NO after life because there is no "after" as such, there is only the continual NOW. You are, and you have always been, since the beginning of time. You just have no memory in your current form of the passage of the time that has gone before. We were likely all part of a star billions of years ago, still the same universal life energy in a different form, now we find ourselves in our current human form which sadly restricts our memory of the past.

We have nothing to fear.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come--the Almighty One."

We are made in god's image which is not to say we are clones dropping off a production conveyor belt, but rather that we are a true image/reflection of "god" because we are made of that same universal life energy.

The Bible contains many truths but our understanding and interpretation of them is skewed because of the religious doctrine drummed into us from youth. As I have said in other threads, Genesis is all about the alchemical process whereby you deconstruct a substance into its primary material to reveal those universal building blocks, and then reassemble them into something perfect. For years I never saw or understood this, and were it not for the kindness of others, I would still be ignorant today taking Genesis as the literal creation of the world. I am still largely ignorant, but the seeds of knowledge have been planted and the shoots are straining to reach the light.
The Bible contains some sensible stuff but most of it is fanciful garbage, imo!
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23-02-2016, 05:32 PM
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For once you and I agree Realist ..............except that you make it sound mystical whereas I simply say that 'Mother Nature and the Laws of physics' are my God and we are a long way off of understanding them.
I take your point Alan, but I suspect that many people who also believe in Mother Nature and science also believe that they ARE going to die and that will be the end for them.

So there is a marked difference in approach and understanding in that mind set though really, if we truly understand Nature then the truth should be obvious. Nature recycles things. Nothing dies or perishes, as such, except form, shape etc. The caterpillar doesn't die, it transforms. Its universal building blocks are disassembled and remodelled into something new. The humble creature ceases its life scraping around on the ground and takes to the air in flight as a beautiful butterfly. Then possibly gets swallowed by a frog with a long tongue

The point is, the actual Matter and the life it contains, can not be destroyed. It is simply remodelled into a new form.

It would be quite fascinating and amazing to have access to the memories of all the past forms we have been. Sadly though it is not available, at least not yet.

We cling to our human form because of that lack of memory, because the lack of it creates uncertainty and fear of the unknown. If we could remember, then the great lie would have no hold on us. We would know who and what we have been before and thus know that we are immortal. We would perhaps instead be more worried about what form we will take in the next remodelling.

When I was young I knew from RE lessons that certain religions believed in re-incarnation but I never paid any heed to it. Even now I don't think of life in those terms. Like you I simply see more and more how we are a part of Nature and a part of the universal energy and that as such, we are going nowhere, we will persist and be constantly recycled.

We may lament the passing form of a beautiful flower or tree, but we equally rejoice in the fact that each time another more vibrant one springs up to take its place.

The Great Lie tries to tell us that when the flower dies that is it. There is no more, death is the end. The lie is founded on fear. Truth is always simple and beautiful. There is no death, no beginning or end except that of the universe itself. Everything else just IS, it persists in constant motion, in constant cycles of change. Forms come and forms go, but fundamentally, we are the same, we are the universe itself, all made from the same universal building blocks and universal life energy, which is god.
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23-02-2016, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tarantula ->
The Bible contains some sensible stuff but most of it is fanciful garbage, imo!
I would say purposeful, not fanciful. It was written by various men/women and assembled, compiled, edited and censored by others.

It contains encoded messages and it provides allegorical truths about Nature and how to work with Nature. It has to be read with opened eyes which are not shaded by the mischievous glasses of religions and doctrines. My frustration at the controlling belief systems would have had me reject it completely, but now that I know and recognise certain terminology, I see a completely different message written within, one that no church has ever attempted to explain to me.

I wish that such wisdom had found me earlier in life. As a boy I prayed for the wisdom of Solomon thinking that wisdom a worthy thing to pray for but for a long time I think it eluded me and I think religion and all its divisive controls acted as obstacles to my free-thinking. Now things are becoming clearer and I find my life completely changing. I gave up work early, resolved to live frugally and simply, wanting little of life's material diversions and seeing more merit in Nature and wisdom. Where once I would think about super cars and big houses, I now find myself extremely content to sit outside in the warmth of the winter sun and simply . . . be !
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11-05-2016, 03:50 PM
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This question, as is a Deity, is/can only be theoretical, as there is no way to prove/disprove "life after death"/ and or the existence of a Deity in our present state of existence. As an Agnostic, I believe because it cannot be proven does mean it does not exist. These things may not be meant for mortal man to know absolute. We all have our theories and the best one can do is to but follow the path they have chosen, in due time the truth will be revealed. To borrow a quote from Shakespeare ,"to thine own self be true".
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11-05-2016, 07:22 PM
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When you are dead that`s it. It`s what you do in life that counts.
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11-05-2016, 07:27 PM
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When you are dead that`s it. It`s what you do in life that counts.
Think the topic starter is dying or even might be dead .

Hope she found happiness with her brother in Texas.
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11-05-2016, 09:48 PM
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Think the topic starter is dying or even might be dead .

Hope she found happiness with her brother in Texas.
So sad Galty, that she chose to keep us informed till the end..........Brave woman xxx
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These things may not be meant for mortal man to know absolute.
The expression "mortal man" suggests that you believe there must be "immortal man". Care to clarify?
 
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