23-12-2019, 08:47 AM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by realspeed
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Quote " Europe's high standards on human rights" unquote.Obviously the article was written by someone who is not aware of refugees should be taken in by the first "safe" country ie France. Human rights???? what about the camps around Calais, what about their human rights??? why hasn't France accepted them and given them homes and jobs as well a other EU members
No the EU sticks up its fingers to human rights, this refugee problem is ignored by most EU countries, it is only us that try and give them " human rights" over and above our own peoples needs
We can only return them to France as part of our EU Membership.
We actually choose not to.
At the end of the Transition Period, this option ceases to exist and International Law then applies.
They will be entirely our own problem.
If we cannot defend our Borders, that is solely our problem.
We have a separate agreement with France to have our Border Control on French Soil.
This can be rescinded with 6 months notice from either side.
Keep upsetting the French and they will rescind it.
The French cannot understand why we do not stop the economic migrants from entering the UK when we can, thus ensuring that they accumulate around Calais to get into the UK.
They only migrate here because of our Benefits system and refusal to stop them entering.
23-12-2019, 10:01 AM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by Muddy
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Why?France is a free and humane country treats its refugees well .
it would seem that these are not then refugees in fear of their lives , they are economic migrants who seek a better life.
Clearly a better life is to be had in the UK
The solution is simple: offer fewer benefits than they do in France.
The other thing is that our police and penal system are far too soft. Illegal immigrants see this as something to be taken advantage of.
Again, there is a simple solution, but our leaders don't seem to be interested.
23-12-2019, 11:28 AM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by Bruce
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You'll have to point out to us exactly where the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees says that.Article 26 - Freedom of movement
Each Contracting State shall accord to refugees lawfully in its territory the right to choose their place of residence and to move freely within its territory subject to any regulations applicable to aliens generally in the same circumstances.
To me the part of the sentence, refugees lawfully in its territory the right to choose their place of residence and to move freely within its territory subject to any regulations , could mean it could mean that they have the right to choose where they want to live in that country, not in the rest of the EU. but as I have already said it is ambigous.
23-12-2019, 11:39 AM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by Meg
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An interesting article from Luke McGee of CNNhttps://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/20/e...ntl/index.html
A very good illustration of why we are well out of the EU mess.
23-12-2019, 11:51 AM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by Rainmaker
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That is a typical piece of ambiguous EU legalese which means what ever the writer, or even the reader, wishes it to mean.To me the part of the sentence, refugees lawfully in its territory the right to choose their place of residence and to move freely within its territory subject to any regulations , could mean it could mean that they have the right to choose where they want to live in that country, not in the rest of the EU. but as I have already said it is ambigous.
23-12-2019, 11:59 AM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by Rainmaker
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That is a typical piece of ambiguous EU legalese which means what ever the writer, or even the reader, wishes it to mean.To me the part of the sentence, refugees lawfully in its territory the right to choose their place of residence and to move freely within its territory subject to any regulations , could mean it could mean that they have the right to choose where they want to live in that country, not in the rest of the EU. but as I have already said it is ambigous.
The EU have made an internal agreement that refugees are taken in by the state where they enter the EU. As you point out, that puts an unfair burden on greece, italy and cyprus. Therefore some years ago there was a leader who said the refugees were a problem of the EU as a whole. And since the basic principle of both the UN and the EU is solidarity, all members of the EU should take a share in accepting the refugees. That leader said, "we can do that", assuming other countries would be just as humane. Merkel was wrong.
23-12-2019, 12:02 PM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by Bruce
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It is one article from UN Convention on Refugees written in 1951, absolutely nothing to do with EU legalese (what ever that is). It was signed by 145(ish) nations amazingly enough not all of them members of the EU.
23-12-2019, 01:44 PM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by JBR
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Interesting.Solash now seems to be the only anti-Brexit poster.
I wonder what happened to his sidekicks, Itsme, Banchory and others.
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