Re: Scotland and the EU
Originally Posted by
shropshiregirl
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weedeek and Roxy, I know you won't believe this but I am sure many English, Welsh and NI people resonate with your utmost desire to be an independent country. Good God, we should understand as we ourselves have had to endure almost 5 years of crap from the EU, our treasonous MPs, opposition parties, CBI, Bank of England Governor, USA Presidents, London elites, as well as obnoxious B List and Z List Celebrity Knobheads.
I have had so many heart in my mouth moments myself every time a deadline date came and went during these damned trade talks, I am exhausted!
so I do sympathise with your yearning for freedom
But... there is where my sympathy ends. There is a big difference between our freedom from the EU and your freedom from the Union. It is so blatantly obvious the SNP hate the English and independence takes pride of place at the cost of everything else. including the once vibrant Scottish economy taking second place, Our freedom from the EU was decided upon by a legitimate and democratic vote. Remain or Leave? We all, each of us had but one vote each and we chose to Leave. End of.
6 years ago, The Scottish people were given the same free vote - Remain or Leave? The Scottish people chose to Remain in the Union. The canny Scots obviously weighed up the pro's and con's and made their decision.
''Once in a Decade'' was promoted by the SNP themselves before your vote for independence. One can therefore only conclude that they were so confident of winning they wanted nothing to change during the next 25 years. (a decade in my eyes) So, 25 years? yet, because the decision didn't go your way, after just 6 years you are quite happy to disrespect the choice your own people made with the reason being that ''we didn't vote to Leave the EU''. Can you not see how undemocratic your want for a second referendum is ? It's as good as smacking democracy in the face!
As to your desire to rejoin the EU. You would obviously have no choice but to use the Euro, so saying you would choose your own currency doesn't wash. That is if you were ever allowed to even join the EU as unfortunately, barring a miracle, Scotland will never fit the EU criteria with your economy the way it is.
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But there you are, Like everyone else on here, I am just an armchair warrior and nothing I say will make one bit of difference to what is to be. I'm only commenting on what I see and read and I feel for the people of Scotland having the SNP in government and totally disrespecting their decision.
Hi SG, I read your post with a lot of interest, please let me reply in kind by laying my own feelings on the line.
First and formost I only want what I feel is, IMO, best for my country, and I feel that getting out from under Westminster's thumb is right.
What hacks me off big style is people assuming that because I think that way, I'm some kind of crazy nationalist who is blindly in love with the SNP, and who hates the English people. Well that couldn't be further from the truth. The SNP do things that I don't agree with and don't like.
They are a means to an end for me, and should independence be gained they can easily be voted out in an election should the Scots want that.
NEITHER, do I want us to be taken back into the EU again, sheeezze no way..
But none of that gives certain people the right to have a go at me because of my feelings. Nor does it give them the right to demand, yes demand, proof of things I haven't a hope of getting my hands on. I am not privvy to the SNPs Manifesto. FFS.
Nor am I going to do their googling for them, they can damn well do it themselves.
There is far too much just assuming in these threads, it's usually the wrong end of the stick, it's hurtful, and it's down right insulting, and causes all sorts of bad feelings.
When I first joined here, years back you could go into any section of the forum and talk about things, now it's a ruddy minefield ruled over by a few who will rip you to pieces if they don't like what you say.
Soooooo, there you have it. My opinion, my right to it.