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03-07-2020, 07:07 PM
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Re: Brexit talks end 1 day early??

Originally Posted by Percy Vere ->
When will you stop yammering on about the WA? We (including you) all know it falls by the wayside on Dec31st.
Show me where is says that
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03-07-2020, 08:44 PM
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Re: Brexit talks end 1 day early??

Hi

The Withdrawal Agreement does not end this year.

The UK Government Websites state that this is not the case.

It is a legally binding document which Boris has signed up to.

Transition Period ends this year, the Withdrawal Agreement does not.
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03-07-2020, 08:46 PM
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Re: Brexit talks end 1 day early??

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

The Withdrawal Agreement does not end this year.

The UK Government Websites state that this is not the case.

It is a legally binding document which Boris has signed up to.

Transition Period ends this year, the Withdrawal Agreement does not.

Stop making things up again.

Its 31st December at 11pm UK time.
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03-07-2020, 08:47 PM
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Re: Brexit talks end 1 day early??

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The Withdrawal Agreement does not end this year, the Transition Period does.

Boris signed up to the Withdrawal Agreement.

Confirmation can be found on UK Government Websites.
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03-07-2020, 08:51 PM
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Re: Brexit talks end 1 day early??

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

The Withdrawal Agreement does not end this year, the Transition Period does.

Boris signed up to the Withdrawal Agreement.

Confirmation can be found on UK Government Websites.
It ends this year.

31st December 2020 at 12pm. Thats the law.
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03-07-2020, 08:57 PM
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Re: Brexit talks end 1 day early??

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Go and read it like everyone else has. You have a track record of not reading things and making things up.

We aren't surprised you come up with stupid comments like that.
I looked it up, this is what it says:


4. As regards the second subparagraph of paragraph 2 of this Article, Article 5 and Articles 7 to
10, the institutions, bodies, offices, and agencies of the Union shall in relation to the United
Kingdom and natural and legal persons residing or established in the territory of the United
Kingdom have the powers conferred upon them by Union law. In particular, the Court of
Justice of the European Union shall have the jurisdiction provided for in the Treaties in this
respect.
The second and third paragraphs of Article 267 TFEU shall apply to and in the United
Kingdom in this respect.
5. Acts of the institutions, bodies, offices, and agencies of the Union adopted in accordance with
paragraph 4 shall produce in respect of and in the United Kingdom the same legal effects as
those which they produce within the Union and its Member States.
6. When representing or assisting a party in relation to administrative procedures arising from
the exercise of the powers of the institutions, bodies, offices, and agencies of the Union
referred to in paragraph 4, lawyers authorised to practise before the courts or tribunals of the
United Kingdom shall in every respect be treated as lawyers authorised to practise before
courts or tribunals of Member States who represent or assist a party in relation to such
administrative procedures.
7. In cases brought before the Court of Justice of the European Union pursuant to paragraph 4:
(a) the United Kingdom may participate in the proceedings before the Court of Justice of
the European Union in the same way as a Member State;
(b) lawyers authorised to practise before the courts or tribunals of the United Kingdom may
represent or assist a party before the Court of Justice of the European Union in such
proceedings and shall in every respect be treated as lawyers authorised to practise
before courts or tribunals of Member States representing or assisting a party before the
Court of Justice of the European Union.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...al-declaration
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03-07-2020, 09:04 PM
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Re: Brexit talks end 1 day early??

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It ends this year.

31st December 2020 at 12pm. Thats the law.
Hi

No it does not.

The Transition Period ends, the withdrawal agreement does not.

Here it is

https://assets.publishing.service.go..._Community.pdf


It is the UK Government Website and contradicts what you are saying.
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03-07-2020, 09:14 PM
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Re: Brexit talks end 1 day early??

To be honest, I wasn't sure so looked it up. I googled:
"When does the withdrawal agreement end?"
and could not find any specific date offered anywhere.

Logically, I'd suggest that the withdrawal agreement ends with the transition period, when we are out.

Alternatively, it could be argued that the withdrawal agreement will never end until and unless some alternative agreement is arrived at by both parties. After all, as long as the agreement is in force it is still there!

Does anyone else have evidence of a specific date where the withdrawal agreement ends?
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03-07-2020, 09:31 PM
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Re: Brexit talks end 1 day early??

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

No it does not.

The Transition Period ends, the withdrawal agreement does not.

Here it is

https://assets.publishing.service.go..._Community.pdf


It is the UK Government Website and contradicts what you are saying.


No it doesnt at all - learn what underpins international treaties.

The wiithdrawal bill is an act of Parliament that repeals it on 31st December 2020 at midnight.

A treaty is only legally binding if the act of Parliament (the bill) makes it law (or ends it)
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03-07-2020, 09:35 PM
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Re: Brexit talks end 1 day early??

Originally Posted by JBR ->
To be honest, I wasn't sure so looked it up. I googled:
"When does the withdrawal agreement end?"
and could not find any specific date offered anywhere.

Logically, I'd suggest that the withdrawal agreement ends with the transition period, when we are out.

Alternatively, it could be argued that the withdrawal agreement will never end until and unless some alternative agreement is arrived at by both parties. After all, as long as the agreement is in force it is still there!

Does anyone else have evidence of a specific date where the withdrawal agreement ends?

What is the transition period?

The transition period is a time-limited period, starting on 1 February 2020. The exact terms of the transition period are set out in Part Four of the Withdrawal Agreement. *It is currently foreseen that the transition period ends on 31 December 2020. It can be extended once by up to one to two years. Such a decision must be taken jointly by the EU and United Kingdom before 1 July 2020.

What is the Withdrawal Agreement?

The Withdrawal Agreement establishes the terms of the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the EU. It ensures that the withdrawal will happen in an orderly manner, and offers legal certainty once the Treaties and EU law will cease to apply to the United Kingdom.

The Withdrawal Agreement covers the following areas:

Common provisions, setting out standard clauses for the proper understanding and operation of the Withdrawal Agreement.Citizens' rights, protecting the life choices of over 3 million EU citizens in the United Kingdom, and over 1 million United Kingdom nationals in EU countries, safeguarding their right to stay and ensuring that they can continue to contribute to their communities.Separation issues,*ensuring a smooth winding-down of current arrangements and providing for an orderly withdrawal (for example, to allow for goods placed on the market before the end of the transition to continue to their destination, for the protection of existing intellectual property rights including geographical indications, the winding down of ongoing police and judicial cooperation in criminal matters and other administrative and judicial procedures, the use of data and information exchanged before the end of the transition period, issues related to Euratom, and other matters).A*transition period,*during which the EU will treat the United Kingdom as if it were a Member State, with the exception of participation in the EU institutions and governance structures. The transition period will help in particular administrations, businesses and citizens to adapt to the withdrawal of the United Kingdom.The*financial settlement, ensuring that the United Kingdom and the EU will honour all financial obligations undertaken while the United Kingdom was a member of the Union.The overall*governance structure*of the Withdrawal Agreement, ensuring the effective management, implementation and enforcement of the agreement, including appropriate dispute settlement mechanisms.A legally operative solution that avoids a hard border on the island of*Ireland, protects the all-island economy and the Good Friday (Belfast) Agreement in all its dimensions, and safeguards the integrity of the EU Single Market.A protocol on the Sovereign Base Areas (SBA) in*Cyprus, protecting the interests of Cypriots who live and work in the Sovereign Base Areas following the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the Union.A Protocol on*Gibraltar, which provides for close cooperation between Spain and the United Kingdom in respect of Gibraltar on the implementation of citizens' rights provisions of the Withdrawal Agreement, and concerns administrative cooperation between competent authorities in a number of policy areas.
 
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